Growth Secrets For Those Who Want to Thrive!

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In today's episode, we're going to talk about six

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characteristics of a growth mindset.

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I'm going to share examples from successful entrepreneurs and

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leaders who have exemplified these characteristics, as well as share

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some of my personal experiences.

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I'm also going to share ways that we can adapt this and share it

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to the children in our lives.

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So stay tuned.

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Hey, my name is Kat.

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And I'm Lee.

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And welcome to the Wildly Wealthy Life podcast.

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In this show, we explore the journey of what it means to live a truly

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exceptional and fulfilling life.

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Each episode focuses on how a foundation of brilliant minds and

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brave hearts nurtured through the arts leads to lifelong success.

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Get inspired with actionable tips to foster a growth mindset, leadership values

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and creativity in children and adults, turning their potential into lasting

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contributions for their communities.

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We hope that you embrace the challenge to shift your perspective

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as we equip you and the next generation for a wildly wealthy life.

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Welcome back.

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In the last episode, I talked about the Wildly Wealthy Life Ladder, and it is a

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framework that I sort of developed just from reflection on my own experiences

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with how I've approached life and what has gotten me to where I am today.

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And the first step in that ladder is to The frame and just as a review, you can

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watch episode two if you want, but as a review, the frame, that first step is

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really where everything begins because your frame, which is your framework, your

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frame of mind is what affects everything that you do, how you approach life,

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how you approach the world around you, uh, what you believe about yourself.

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So this frame is so important that we get this right.

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And in the last episode, I talked about how we can either have a fixed

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mindset or a fixed frame or an open and a growth mindset or an open frame.

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So today, I'm going to take the time to talk about growth mindset.

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And because I love acronyms, because it helps me remember things, I

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thought about the word growth.

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Right?

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And first, we kind of have to define what growth means.

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And growth, if I look at the literal meaning of growth, it is something that

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is increasing, whether that's increasing in value, increasing in capacity,

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increasing in size, increasing in number.

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It is something that is growing.

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And one of the ways we can tell if there is good growth is to look at the fruit.

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Right?

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So yes, we can increase our capacity in patience.

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We can increase our capacity for leadership.

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We can increase our capacity to love.

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And while all of that is good because it is an increase.

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One of the ways that we can really look at is the fruit.

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Of the growth.

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Is there a good fruit that's coming out of this growth or is it bad fruit?

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And one of the ways that we can tell if it's good growth, aside from of course the

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increase in value and size and capacity or numbers, is really if there is good

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fruit that is coming out of the growth.

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So let's talk about G first and G stands for grit and this is grit In

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challenges, when I looked at the literal meaning of grit, it talks about the

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part of the stone that is adaptive to grinding and the word grinding.

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If we dig deeper, it doesn't feel like there's anything good about it because it.

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It feels painful, I think about grinding of the teeth, gnashing of the

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teeth, my husband he grinds his teeth at night and he wakes up and his jaw

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aches because of the effort that it took to grind your teeth in the middle

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of the night while you were sleeping.

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So when I look at a person and I say, Oh my gosh, that person has so much

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grit, it usually means that that person has gone through something difficult.

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And a good example here in the business world is Elon Musk and what no matter what

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you think about him, uh, the point is he is where he is right now because of his

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grit and the challenges that he's faced.

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There was a time where they didn't have any more money left, uh, in the bank to be

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able to sustain the next round of payroll.

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And there was a very specific investor in his company that would

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Was actually against Tesla and didn't want to go through with the product.

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And he really had to face that challenge with so much grit

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and tenacity and push through.

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Even when there was such a huge setback and think about their company, they,

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they probably need millions and millions of dollars to be able to support the

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payroll, the next round of payroll.

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But.

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He pushed through with grit and now he is where he is right now with Tesla.

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And in our lives, I'm sure that you also have a personal experience of

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what it means to go through a very tough challenge and really grind

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your way through that challenge.

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I've had many experiences in my own life.

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One of those experiences was my mom having cancer.

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Uh, it was a very difficult time.

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And people could say that, wow, that kind of faith is

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almost like a delusional faith.

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And I think that's actually part of grit is having that faith that no

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matter what it's going to be okay.

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And in my case, in my world, I believe in God, I believe in the power of Jesus.

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So to me, it may seem delusional, but I have had a lot of experiences

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where I've seen God work in my life.

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over and over again.

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So I had that grit as a family, as a person, but also as a family

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to push through that challenge.

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Another example that I have was actually I was auditioning.

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This was years ago when I moved to LA, I didn't have a car and I

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would take the bus from audition to another audition to another audition.

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It was, it was a lot, right?

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And it was, it was my dream.

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I, I moved to Los Angeles to become a professional dancer.

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So I, uh, Auditioned for this print ad and I remember uh, it was raining

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really really hard that day in LA and here in Los Angeles We don't

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take rain seriously for the most part because it doesn't always rain here.

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And then the bus system is really Non existent meaning completely

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unreliable late 99 percent of the time.

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So I showed up to the audition I was carrying this huge backpack with

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my change of clothes for the day because I was going from one audition

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to another and I was soaking wet when I showed up to the audition.

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My bag was soaking wet.

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I still remember it was a Jansport Backpack and everything that

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was in that bag was soaking wet.

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I didn't have an umbrella.

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I was soaking wet I got to the audition with very little time

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to spare to even fix myself.

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So I said to myself, you know what?

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I didn't come all the way here to give up.

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Okay, and when I say come all the way here I didn't mean like from bus to bus to bus.

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I meant I didn't come all the way here To the United States from the

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Philippines to give up just because I got drenched in the rain So I was

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convinced that i'm going to step into that audition room and i'm going to shine

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and i'm going to make them Love me, so I don't remember exactly what I did.

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But all I remember is that I was determined To get through that

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audition and make it my best audition that I've ever had and to my

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surprise I actually booked that job.

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I was in a k swiss print ad if you don't know I don't know if k swiss still exists

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in this day, but it's an athletic brand.

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And um, yeah, I I booked that job It was my very first print ad

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Print ad, uh, here in the States.

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And it was at the 17 magazine and it was great.

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It was, it was a fun experience.

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And had I given up that day just because, Oh my gosh, I look terrible.

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I'm soaking wet and there's no way that they're going to love me.

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I probably wouldn't have booked that job.

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So grit and challenges.

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And you know, one of the ways that we can really encourage the kids in our

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lives, whether, uh, you're an educator, a parent or a caregiver, right.

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Whether you're an aunt, a grandma, a guardian.

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Uh, one of the ways we can encourage that is every time they go through a difficult

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situation, let's say in school, like, let's say it's just a math problem, right?

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Uh, it may seem like that to us, oh, it's just a math problem, but it's

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probably really big for them, right?

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If they can't get through a math problem and they're really struggling in school,

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one of the ways we can really encourage this is just by asking them to break it

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down into small steps and encourage them and tell them, hey, you know, it's, you

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know, Incredible that you stuck through that even though it's very very difficult.

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Just remind them that wow What an amazing thing it is that you actually

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stuck with that problem Even though it was challenging for you and that

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really teaches them to value the process to value perseverance instead

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of instant success the r in growth is reflection Which is reflecting on

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your decisions, your actions, right?

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And not only reflecting internally, but really actually seeking out feedback

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from whether it's a peer, whether it's a director or a boss, or you are the boss.

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And feedback from your team members, right?

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From the people who are work, who are working with you, and, and, and for you.

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Uh, I think that reflection is one of the ways that we can truly grow.

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A great example for this is Ray Dalio, who is the founder of

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one of the world's largest hedge funds, Bridgewater Associates.

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He talks about this thing called radical transparency, and what he does is he

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really encourages the people in his company to be completely radical about

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everything from the good, the bad, and the ugly, especially the ugly.

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I think a lot of times we like.

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Transparent we like being vulnerable when it's like a good thing but we don't really

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want to show the ugly parts of us or the ugly parts of our company of The way we

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run things and he says that it's only when you really are Transparent from the good

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the bad and the ugly that the people in your company the team members can come

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together and really offer a Objective and the best decision on how to move forward

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from an issue from a challenge and I think that that is so wonderful to hear that

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from someone who has a huge company and Really encourages that because I think

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that that's also how we should uh function in life Of course, we're not saying

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hey just welcome every feedback, right?

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We have to be also careful about um, the voices and the feedback that's

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coming into our lives and that's Part of that is just discernment, right?

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It's kind of knowing when a feedback is is good and it's going to help us

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grow and when a feedback is completely just You know criticizing us and it's

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actually not helping us to grow And one of the ways that we can really instill

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that in our kids is kind of prepping them that hey If you're doing something

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in school, right whether that's a project for art or or anything else

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There might be people that will not like your work And sometimes when they

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don't like your work, it depends on the way they deliver their feedback, right?

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And sometimes it's not the best delivery.

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And even if it's not the best delivery, what we could do is we could just

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quiet ourself and ask, Okay, well, that might not be the best delivery,

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and that really hurt me, the way they said that really hurt me.

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However, is there some truth to what they said?

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And if there's any, any validity to what they said, then is there any way that I

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can apply that to my work for next time so that I can actually improve my work?

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And one of the things that I love as a performer is actually getting notes.

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When I perform on stage, my favorite part is always after when the director

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or the choreographer tells us, Hey, uh, do this one thing here, uh, change this.

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Uh, you can do this one better.

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Well, one of the reasons why I like that is one, It makes me grow, two,

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makes me feel good that, hey, the director or the choreographer is

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watching me, meaning they're interested in, in helping me become better.

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And three, if I apply that note, I'm pretty sure that because they are seeing

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it from the audience perspective, it's going to help me connect to my audience

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more as well, which will essentially make me become a more effective dancer.

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And so reflection is truly one of the ways that we can grow our mindset.

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And again, not only reflecting internally, but actually seeking it

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out the O and growth is optimism, not just any sort of optimism.

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I'm not talking about like blind optimism.

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You know, everything is just roses and rainbows.

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I'm talking about Optimism when you are faced with failure and how do

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you reframe your mind so that you can actually Still push past the challenge

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with and when I think about the word optimism It is that hope and that

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Kind of confidence that something good is going to come out of a situation.

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And one of my favorite examples in the business world is Sarah Blakely,

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the inventor and founder of Spanx.

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If you don't know her, look her up.

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I'm pretty sure she's a household name by now because gosh, like

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just her success is incredible.

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But when she was starting, especially when she's starting with a very new

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product, no one has heard of it before.

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She's a woman.

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Going into all these manufacturers and presenting her product idea to them

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She had so many no's and she didn't have any investors to back her up She

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started her business with 5, 000 from her savings account and went all in

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With this idea that this product is going to take off and she received so

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many no's No after no after no from manufacturers saying we don't want to

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produce your product and finally she got a yes And the rest is history.

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We know her now because obviously she is a multi millionaire billionaire I

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don't even know but the point is if she didn't have optimism in the face of

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failure if she gave up We wouldn't know her today, and we wouldn't have Spanx.

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In my own life.

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I had um, I don't think it was really a business failure, but it was a

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business failure in a sense that I did not protect myself, uh, in a

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partnership that I had, um, with someone.

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And I was very young.

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I was naive.

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I, you know, I trusted.

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I had a really good relationship with this guy.

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And so I trusted our relationship and we went into business together.

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And, uh, you know, long story short, years and years after pouring my heart

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into this business, created an entire program, trained teachers and all of

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these things, I found out that I'm not actually a business owner and I don't

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really have stakes that accompany that.

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If I stop working, I would also.

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Not receive any more salary, right?

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And so that was really heartbreaking for me, a huge heartbreak.

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Um, but what I learned from that is I could have buried my head

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into the ground and said, Oh my gosh, cat, like, what did you do?

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You should have known this better.

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I could have blamed myself over and over again for not, you know, protecting

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myself for not doing things correctly, not having a contract in place, an

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agreement in place, and that was a huge failure for me because that was a big

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chunk of my life that I devoted to.

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And then all of a sudden.

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It's just gone.

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And yet, here I am today, still in business, still an entrepreneur.

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Yes, I am no longer in that business, but I still push through and everything

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that I learned from that, I realized that I got so much out of that experience

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and I'm bringing it to what I do now.

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And for the children in our lives, you know, it's really important

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that we encourage them that, hey, when you make mistakes, it's.

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Totally okay.

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It is part of the learning process.

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It is literally I feel like I say that every day in my lessons with

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students is I always tell them mistakes is part of the process.

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It's okay to make mistakes.

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But what we can do is we can learn from them, right?

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And that's a way to kind of frame our mindset to be more positive that

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no matter what mistakes we make.

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There's always a light at the end of the tunnel.

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There's always hope.

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There's a confidence that something good is going to come out of that.

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Even when it doesn't look like it right now, W in growth is willingness.

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And that is willingness to learn.

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I believe that one of the ways we can grow our minds is by always being

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willing to expand on what we don't know.

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There are so many things in the world that we don't know, that

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we don't understand, you know.

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What they say is, well, you don't know what you don't know.

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And I I think it's a very powerful place to be in when you realize that wow There

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is still so much more that I don't know even though yeah, i've lived life and i've

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learned a lot There's still so much more and one of a great example here is richard

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branson founder of virgin group who?

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Never had really formal business training But yet because of his

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willingness to learn he has been able Successful across many different

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fields and with the kids in our lives, one of the ways that we can really

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foster this is the love for learning.

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I think that as humans, we all have our natural inclinations and as we watch

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children grow, we can tell, Oh, this child really gravitates more towards sports.

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Oh, this child gravitates more towards musical theater and arts and dance.

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And one of the ways that we can really foster the love of learning

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for children is by telling them, Hey, I noticed you really love sports.

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Of course, I'm going to support you in that, but let's see if we can also learn

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something from this other side, right?

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Maybe a different activity and it doesn't have to be something that

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they're going to do longterm, but maybe it's just something where they

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can do it for a little bit so they can foster the ability to ask questions.

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Questions, questions like.

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Well, I don't really enjoy this doing this particular activity, but what can I learn

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and is there anything that I can love?

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I can actually develop a love for learning in this particular

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subject or topic or activity.

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I used to say this a lot.

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There's nothing that's boring in life.

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And the reason why it's boring is because you're boring and I know that sounds

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harsh But it's because of my belief again.

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This is my framework.

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This is my mindset my belief system It's because of my belief that

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there's always something that we can learn we can always find a love for

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learning in any Industry in any field.

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So I always thought that, okay, I love, you know, arts, movement, music, all these

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things, but gosh, if you put me in coding, if you put me in basket weaving, if you

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put me in anything else that is completely unrelated to usually what I love doing,

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I probably will find something fun in it.

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And not just probably I'm actually sure I will find something fun in it because

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that's just my belief system I know that whatever you bring in front of me I will

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find a way to love to do it because of the love for learning and an example

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of that in my own life is really just running a business as someone who runs her

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own business and used to not have help.

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Now I have help, which is amazing, but gosh, I had to

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learn how to make a website.

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I have to learn email marketing.

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I have to learn how to create my own copy for emails and, and the landing pages.

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I have to learn accounting, how to do bookkeeping.

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I have to learn.

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I hate bookkeeping.

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It's one of the worst things for me personally.

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Right.

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But I have to learn it.

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I have to learn, um, how to present myself, how to do sales calls.

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I, yeah.

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There's just so many things that I had to learn as someone

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who's running their business.

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And if there isn't a love for learning that has been fostered in me in such

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a young age, I probably would have already given up because there's

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been a lot of gosh, mental blocks and just learning curves that I had to

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go through running my own business.

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So if we can establish this and foster this with the kids in our

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lives at an early age, that would be something that would really set

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them apart as they grow into adults.

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The T in growth is team One of the ways that we can grow our mindset is

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actually by working together with other people so I really truly believe that

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you know, we can't do life on our own I don't think anyone when people say

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i'm self made I really don't understand where that's coming from because

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nobody is truly self made At some point in your life Someone helped us out.

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There's no one that is truly self made.

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And I think that team here means that you are able to work successfully with others.

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You're able to communicate your thoughts and your ideas successfully with other

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people in your team, whether you are someone who's working for someone or you

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are the boss and you are empowering your team or you are working with other people.

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Other people together as a team.

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And one of the ways that we can foster this in our children is

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really by encouraging them actually to step in a leadership role.

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So let's say a child isn't naturally inclined to lead and

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to volunteer, to become a leader.

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Maybe we can, you know, just kind of plant seeds of.

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Hey, you know, there's a new project coming up in your school this next month.

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Maybe you should volunteer.

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Maybe you should talk to the teacher and volunteer to be a leader or talk to your

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peers and volunteer to lead so that you can experience what that is like, right?

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To lead a team.

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And if that is a hard no.

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For the child, there's always ways to still foster this because

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you know, some children, not just children, but adults as well.

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Not all of us are really wanting to lead, right?

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Um, however, we can still learn leadership skills by being a great teammate and we

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can definitely foster that with our kids.

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Even if they don't want to lead a team per se, we can engage in conversation with

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them and ask them questions like, okay, so there's this project right now and I

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know you're part of the team that, um, Is submitting to a leader, ask them questions

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like, how can you contribute to the team?

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How can you be an effective team member?

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How can you deliver what's being asked of you on time?

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How can you deliver what's being asked of you in your own unique way?

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What is your own perspective?

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How can you communicate your ideas?

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To your fellow team members, right?

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How can you show up for them?

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So it's supporting them and we're not delayed in the work because it's

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actually moving the project forward.

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So asking questions like that with the Children in our lives is a great

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way to develop this characteristic.

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A great example for this in the business world is Satya Nadella, who is the CEO of

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Microsoft and He is known for establishing a culture in the workplace where there's

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really empowerment for the team members.

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They are encouraged to take risks without fear of failure

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so that they can truly innovate.

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The H in growth is habit, and I'm not talking just about any habit because

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obviously we can talk about habit all day long and forming good habits, but

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it's really the habit of adaptability.

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When I looked at the word habit, it's talking about permanence, something

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that you do on a regular basis.

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And yes, there are a lot of good habits, as I said, but really

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specifically the habit of adaptability.

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Because.

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We know now in hindsight, right, that 2020, so many people who didn't

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Adapt, uh, weren't able to continue with their businesses while other

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people who were able to pivot and shift right away, they were able to

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either grow or maintain their business.

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And a great example here in the business world is Reed Hastings from Netflix, who

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knew how to adapt to the needs of the consumers, whether that's a DVD rental to

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streaming to original content production, the way that he's able to adapt to

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the needs of the consumers has really.

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Paved the way for them to still be here today.

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And so personally in my life, that's exactly what I did as well.

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In 2020, I was in the dance world, in the stunt world.

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Um, I was busy trying to, you know, be a performer and

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audition and all these things.

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And of course, when the pandemic happened, all the performing jobs went away.

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And so I really had to think hard, how do I put food on the table?

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Because my whole life has been all about.

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And of course I was also doing entrepreneurship with real estate and

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had my own business, but really it was still mainly dance and aerial.

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And so how do I do that when there's no more work?

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And thankfully I was already teaching piano back in 2018 and in 2020 I just

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really focused and said, okay, well this is what I'm going to do full time now.

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And it was incredible because it was literally a time where

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when it was so crazy for.

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A lot of people and a lot of people lost their jobs.

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I grew, I grew my income and for the first time in my life, I actually

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had a stable income because it was a business where people were paying

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every single month for the lessons.

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And I never had that as a dancer.

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As a dancer, I was living from paycheck to paycheck, figuring out

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when it's going to come again, because if I don't book a job, well, I don't

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have money when I don't have a job.

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Right.

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And it all depends if I book a job.

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And so with, uh, 2020, I was really able to adapt and just pivot very quickly.

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And to this day, it is still what I do.

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I'm still doing this business and it's been incredible.

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And even now I'm already adapting.

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There's already a lot of shift and, and changes and the way people are

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doing things in the online space.

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And, and I'm adapting to that as well.

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And I'm changing some of the things I do because of what is being

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asked from me, from the consumers.

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So.

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So again, that habit of adaptability is really important.

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And a way that we can foster this with the children in our lives

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is by looking at situations where things didn't go their way, right?

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Um, being there for them when they expected something to happen and

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it didn't happen and really just sitting down with them and asking,

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okay, well, this didn't quite pan out the way you expected it to be.

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How can we still adapt?

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Get to the other side where it's still a favorable outcome, right?

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How can we actually adapt this so that we can still learn from this?

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We can still grow from this.

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We can still, uh, receive the outcome that we wanted.

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Maybe it's not the exact outcome that we wanted, but maybe it's a better

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outcome because we, we don't know.

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Right.

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And so just asking them questions.

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Uh, one of the things I'm so excited about is, Being certified in Adventurous

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and Wisdom, which is a life coaching for kids, is this skill called Power Shifting.

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It's literally just helping the kids understand that when there's a situation

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that comes our way that is not our ideal situation, how do we shift our mindset

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so that instead of looking at it as, oh gosh, things didn't go my way, Right?

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We can actually step into our power and look at that and say, well, it

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didn't pan out exactly how I wanted it to, but I'm going to make it better.

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Right?

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How can we adapt?

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So instilling that mindset at an early age in our kids could

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really set them up for success.

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So I hope you enjoyed today's episode.

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Again, at the heart of Wildly Wealthy Life is really sharing ideas, thoughts,

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examples, life experiences, questions we could ask for ourselves and for

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the children in our lives as to how we can grow so that we can have a

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fulfilling and an exceptional life.

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So again, to recap that growth mindset to me is someone who has grit, Someone who's

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able to reflect not just internally, but actually encourage feedback from others.

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Someone who's got optimism in the face of failure.

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Someone who's got willingness to learn always, always cultivating

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that love for learning.

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Someone who's able to work together in a team setting, knowing how to

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communicate your ideas, knowing how to deliver your deliverables on time.

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Um, and someone who has the habit of adaptability, being able to

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pivot and shift when needed.

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So take that with you, and I hope you have a wildly wealthy life.

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I will see you in the next episode.

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All right friends, that's a wrap on today's episode of Wildly Wealthy Life.

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