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15th Mar 2025

Raising Confident Young Actors: Heather's take on Mentorship and Resilience

In this inspiring episode of Wildly Wealthy Life, Kat and Lee talk with Heather McCloud, actress, dancer, writer, and founder of Heather’s Hollywood Hotline. Heather shares her journey from owning a dance studio to managing her young sons' thriving acting careers. She opens up about overcoming self-limiting beliefs, navigating the entertainment industry, and the importance of surrounding yourself with supportive mentors. Heather also offers invaluable advice for parents with children in show business. Get ready for laughter, life lessons, and insights on creative leadership and resilience.

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02:00 Kat and Lee introduce Heather McCloud and her multifaceted career, - Start -

06:46 Heather reflects on her biggest self-limiting beliefs and their roots

09:04 Creating a sense of belonging through her dance studio

14:14 Navigating comparison and confidence issues with her children

17:28 A controversial yet empowering parenting approach

19:52 Heather s strategy for managing social media and fame for her children

26:49 Why building strong mentorships and finding supportive communities is essential

37:16 Lessons from mentors who believed in others before they believed in themselves

53:36 What living a Wildly Wealthy Life means to Heather

Heather's Hollywood Hotline

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https://www.instagram.com/heathers.hollywood.hotline/

Mentor Gregg Russell

https://www.tapintothenetwork.com/gregg-russell

Venom 3

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Dash McCloud

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm12336368/

Instagram

@why.not.heather

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Transcript
Heather:

I coached a girl, uh, for acting for an audition and she came

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to me and I found out halfway through coaching her that she had already

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been coached for this audition.

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And she, she broke down crying and she told me that she went to the

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coach was for a series regular.

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She was a little bit greener student.

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And the coach said, I can't even help you with this.

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This is so beyond you, like the waste of time.

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Like you, I can't even coach you for this.

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She's like 10 years old.

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Do you know?

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And it wasn't like she did it in a really gentle way.

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No, I couldn't tell her.

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On the, on the zoom, you know, cause I don't really know her that well.

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I want to be like, yeah, we're doing this, you know, but, and

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I didn't want to tell her we're going to, you're going to book it.

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Cause at that time, in that moment in her training, she wasn't right.

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I said, you know what this is, this is the opportunity for you

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to show casting what you can do.

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And you.

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Can do a lot.

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So let's work, you know?

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Yeah.

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Who is this other woman?

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Forget that woman.

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What right does she have to, to push this 10 year old down?

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So what?

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Like, Oh, Oh, the coach, the all knowing acting coach, like wrap all the time.

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And I just like, it makes me like go crazy because that can

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have a lasting impact forever.

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I mean, that girl could remember that moment forever.

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And so.

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So important to keep people like you and me and coaches in that space that

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are like really like have big hearts.

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And I, this is not about me.

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You know,

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in today's episode, we are welcoming Heather McLeod.

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Heather McLeod is an amazing friend of mine.

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We met, gosh, years ago, back in 2004.

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We were in the same, uh, scholarship program for a performing arts studio.

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Almost exactly 20 years ago.

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Whoa!

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It is 20 years ago.

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Well, I mean, it's a little more than,

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yeah.

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Oh my gosh.

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That's so crazy.

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Wow.

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That is incredible.

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But, but anyway, Heather is just such an amazing human being.

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Uh, she has done so much in her life.

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She has been a dancer, has been in multiple commercials,

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working as an actress.

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She's an amazing writer.

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She's incredibly funny.

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She is also a business woman.

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She opened her own dance studio back in 2009 in the midst of a recession.

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And.

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Got that to be a very successful dance studio.

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Six years later, she sold that.

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Um, uh, she has been acting an amazing actress and an amazing mama to two

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adorable boys who are successful working actors in the industry.

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I mean, they're literally filming in some of the biggest.

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Uh, network TV shows and, and movies and just her take about, you know,

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motherhood and being a mom, uh, with boys in the industry is really amazing.

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So I think you're going to love this episode.

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So coming right up.

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Hey, my name is Kat

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and I'm Lee

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And welcome to the

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Wildly Wealthy Life Podcast.

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Wildly wealthy life.

Kat:

That was a great episode with Heather.

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We're about to bring her on in just a second here.

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What was your biggest takeaway just to kind of prep our

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audience on what to expect?

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I think that Heather comes from a very real grounded place and hearing her

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points of advice are gonna be able to be applicable across all, all different

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types of people from different countries and cultures and everything else.

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That's kind of the great thing is she's just super grounded and tells it as it is.

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And, uh, it's, yeah, she, she's amazing.

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She's really beautiful.

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Yeah, I think I really love her approach with parenting with

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Dash that she said, this might be controversial parenting, um, but

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it's just so funny and I think, you know, maybe it's not for everybody.

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As you listen to this episode, maybe you're thinking, well, this

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is not for me, but you know what?

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It's effective for her because of her personality.

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Personality because of who she is, the relationship that

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she's got with her child.

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Right.

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I just love the way she approaches things.

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Um, just a big pattern interrupt for, for her child, I'm sure.

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And her child was really surprised.

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Right.

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I think as a preface, you have to say like, You know, every child is

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different and they need different tools, different messages for some of them,

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uh, to snap out and not to have these

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rabbit hole of digging into, you know, have

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doubt, not have, uh, negative words.

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Stick inside, like sometimes you need a nice strong message to send them out.

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So I think that was a good, good

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moment.

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So hopefully you'll love the episode.

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Let's bring her on.

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Hello.

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Thank you, Heather, for being here.

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I really appreciate you, um, you know, tuning in and being able to

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be available, especially when you are in Melbourne right now filming.

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So that's really awesome.

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I'm so excited.

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Um, I guess I want to start with, um, you have done so much, um, In your life

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like with everything that you want to do your goals I feel like you're someone

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that I look up to when you have a goal You really are so determined and so

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focused you've done so much You've been accomplished as a businesswoman with like

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your dance studio and now being an amazing mom and raising two boys who are in the

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in the business, which i'm sure has its own set of Difficulties and challenges.

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Um, I want to know what has been, if you look back, what, what has been

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maybe like a thematic self limiting belief that you have as a person and.

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This is like so deep.

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Yes, we're going, we're going straight there.

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Like if you could pinpoint like one or two major, major self limiting

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belief you've had that you feel like you've had to repeatedly.

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Really try to, you know, push past through.

Heather:

Yeah.

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I love this question.

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First of all, thank you so much for having me.

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Of course, I feel the same about both of you.

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I'm very inspired by you both.

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It's probably why we've been friends for so long, because

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you guys both have that same.

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Tenacity and grit.

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You still live in Los Angeles.

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Let's be honest.

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Crazy town.

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It's wild.

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That's not to say that if you didn't want to stay in LA, that's fine.

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I totally get that too.

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Trust me.

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Uh, weekly, I get that.

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But anyways, uh, no, this is such a powerful question.

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It's something that I actually, um, I, I, it's so funny that you

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said this because I just saved an Instagram post about limiting beliefs.

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I can't remember.

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And yeah, so I think that for me, there's really three limiting beliefs

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and the first one is not belonging.

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I have felt like an outcast since I was a kid.

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I was picked on severely in elementary school.

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Um, And I was fine by junior high and it was fine in high school.

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And by then I didn't really care, but it was interesting because that feeling of

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not belonging carried into my experiences in Los Angeles, in the dance world.

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And so I always felt like this outcast that I wasn't enough.

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I wasn't.

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Um, sexy enough, especially if you're a dancer, like too wholesome looking.

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I, I didn't want to party sometimes to the degree that the

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people around me were partying.

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Like I just never felt like I belonged.

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And so that is one that I really healed a lot when I created my dance studio

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because everything was built around.

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You know, our ideas and our vision, and we are walking, welcoming people into

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our space and it was, um, literally my mission to create a space where.

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Everyone felt like they belonged.

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And so that was one of the most beautiful things I was able to do because people

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would tell me that, you know, the amount of cards and thank yous and creating a

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space where people belonged, um, was just really healing for me, but also a gift.

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That I felt like I could give to others that maybe I didn't have growing up and

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having that place and that support to be weird and yourself and you know, yourself.

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So that was probably, and that's the most beautiful part

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about owning the studio for me.

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Um, another one is just imposter syndrome, which I think is just like

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that same side of the same coin, right?

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And you're like, I don't know what I'm doing.

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I'm not kidding you.

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I, I.

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I fake it till I make it every single day, like forever, no matter what, like, I just

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pretend like we know what we're doing.

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I have no idea.

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I can't tell you where we're going.

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I can only tell you what I learned, but, uh, so there's,

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of course there's that one.

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And then this is a really, really personal one.

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I don't talk about it a lot, but I'm trying to talk about it more.

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It was just wild, the feeling like somehow the way I physically appeared

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and that started before I was a dancer that started from this childhood

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stuff that I went through and then was reinforced by dance and reinforced by

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different relationships in my life.

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And I'm still an actress and there's so many ways that

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it's still reinforced today.

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And so having to really.

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No, um, that I am not defined by the appearance of my body.

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Success is not defined by the size of my clothing.

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All of that is something that I have struggled with deeply and it'll do.

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And it doesn't have anything to do with what size I actually am.

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Cause I've been all the sizes.

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And.

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I will, I could be small and never be enough, you know?

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And it's just something that

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I think the other side of that real quick is also like, you're

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loved in all those sizes, you know, big thing is I'm hearing you.

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I'm like, I don't know.

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I've always loved you.

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Be

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around and like be around

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and you're so right.

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It's funny.

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Like I didn't even want to have a girl.

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Because I had a dance studio and I, you know, so many of my friends ended up

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with these, um, eating disorders and I didn't want my dancers to do that.

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And so I really prioritized health.

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I was very careful about the message that we sent out, you know, and

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then I had two boys, but you're not even immune from it with them.

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So there's just like, I really, my, my next goal, because I

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don't own the studio anymore, is.

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To maybe, this is something I've been weighing for a long time,

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like make an impact in this space because it's something that is so

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important, um, and so sensitive, you know, no one wants to talk about it.

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Um, but yeah, I think it's important.

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Yeah.

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I think it's linked to performing arts.

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I mean, it's better.

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It's better.

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At least they let, let you in if you're athletic, but it's not good.

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Yeah.

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Pamela Anderson, not wearing makeup to the red carpet to like, be like,

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we're going to go against ageism.

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You know, all these like celebrities coming out like that, like Jamie

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Lee Curtis and all these, Awesome.

Kat:

Yeah.

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Because we need that, you know?

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Wow.

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That's awesome.

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Thank you for just sharing that and being, being vulnerable in that.

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Because yeah, I think that a lot of people struggle with that and it's so hard.

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Right.

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Because it's like, we know that we are loved no matter what

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size we are, but especially when you're in the entertainment

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industry, that's really hard.

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That's the first thing that people see.

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I mean, what do you do for auditions?

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Do you submit a headshot?

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It's all about your image, but yet they tell you it's not about how you look,

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but then it is about how you look because the first thing that you give them that

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you can't control this particular role or you're not, it doesn't matter

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what you think it's this or that.

Heather:

So crazy.

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So true.

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It's so true.

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And now I even see these dancers and they're on their social media and

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they're like their abs and they're like, they're every picture is like, so hot.

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Oh, thank God we didn't have that.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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I don't know how they do it.

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I don't know how they process it.

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It's crazy.

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Wild.

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Yeah, that pressure.

Kat:

Yeah.

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So now, you know, as a mom with two boys who are, you know, working actors and

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they're, they're still so young, right?

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Have you seen them go through their own self limiting beliefs?

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And what are those for them?

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And you know, what are those for them?

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And then what do you think is like, Your kind of, um, biggest struggle with it

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and how do you help them overcome it?

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Yeah.

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So my kids, just for a little bit of background.

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This isn't, I'm not even trying to brag, but I just want to put it in perspective.

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They're on the biggest sets in Hollywood.

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They are at this game, like my four year old, I'm in Australia filming for series

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regular for major network television show my, you know, Joshua series regular

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by seven, the pilot didn't get picked up, but, and now he's in this huge

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Marvel movie that's about to come out.

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So we're at it at the biggest level.

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And fortunately they have gotten into it.

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At an age where they are not self conscious, they don't, they don't, that,

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that, that just hasn't developed for any kid really, you know, that young.

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Dash is getting older.

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I heard him make his first comment the other day.

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He said something, uh, both my kids are very fit and whatever, but Duke is very,

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um, skinny and like very, very skinny.

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We're like, I need to take you some chicken right now.

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And Dash made a comment and I just was like, the wind sucked out of me.

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He was like, uh, Duke skinny.

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And I, I'm not, and I was like,

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wow, the comparison is coming in.

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And I was like, that's new.

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You know, I was like, well, it's not really about that though.

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I said, I said, you're super healthy.

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I said, if anything, your health, you'd be better than healthy.

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No, but not comparing, but I was like, you know, it's just about being healthy.

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And I said, because your body is going to experience all different kinds of

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changes throughout your life and they're all great and they're all part of you

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and they're all wonderful and they're all okay and you're very healthy.

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You're very active.

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You're very fit and you don't need to look like anybody else.

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You don't need to be like anybody else.

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And that was like one where I was like, Oh, okay.

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I feel like this is where I need to be paying attention

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because he's paying attention.

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And the other time, this might be controversial parenting.

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We were, uh, we were shooting in, in Italy.

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And we were in Sicily and Dash heard this song in a store and he liked it and he

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started dancing and he was like seven and he started dancing and he's like going

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full out in the middle of the store.

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And these people walk by the store and they started laughing at him

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because they thought it was cute.

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You know, he was like just rocking out in the store.

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He totally shuts down.

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He starts crying.

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I've never seen that.

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He crawls under this clothing rack.

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It won't come out.

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And he's crying.

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He's crying.

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And I was like, what is happening?

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Like, can we go, he won't leave nothing.

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And I'm like, what is going on?

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And he's like, they were laughing at me and, you know, whatever.

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And I I'm like, And I was like, well, I think they were laughing

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because they thought it was fun to watch you know, they were laughing

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and it was mean and it wasn't okay.

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And, you know, and I don't feel like a good dancer.

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He's a great dancer.

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And so I said, I whispered in his ear.

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I don't know.

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You might, can you bleep me out on this

Kat:

Yeah, totally.

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If you would

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there.

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And I was like, and he goes, what?

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And I go them.

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And he goes, what, mom?

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You can't say that.

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And I go, yeah, I can't.

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Those people, them, I go,

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I go stand up.

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Own your stuff.

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Right?

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Easier.

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But we didn't, I mean, the fact that I was saying this like, but you know why?

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It was like I woke him up.

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Mm-hmm . You know.

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It jarred him.

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What is that?

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He was like, mom, mom, mom.

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And so it's so good because since that day, if I ever see him like

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feeling like that little thing comes, I'll literally just walk up

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behind and he'll go like, okay, okay.

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Other people are like, that's crazy.

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But You know, I don't know.

Heather:

Yeah, it was just like, I was so mad that he was losing that fire and that people

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are always going to try to take it away, but his journey could end up being really,

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really hard, but you know, most kids don't have to do that in a public space.

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And that's the thing I worry about most of my kids.

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Cause I don't want them to be famous, but I don't know that I have control.

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So it's like, I just want to be so clear

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about

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like, We're not going to do that, you know, we got you like this matters,

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like get your head out of that space now.

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So I don't know.

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I'll let to be sure.

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I'll let you know how it plays out.

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Lee:

How do you find the battle with that self-image, with all

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the social media that's going on?

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Like what are you thinking about first steps to protect them?

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Because I know, like with my, my nieces that are.

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My niece, uh, Paige, uh, three days ago, uh, passed her driver's license

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test, but it's like that whole launch.

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And then my other one is 14 and they, um, just the, the challenges that are

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out there, my other niece, Morgan also like just the challenges that are out

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there coming from all different angles.

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Cause they live and breathe off those phones, you know, at a certain

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age, my brother and his wife, they, they take the cell phones

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at night, you know, and kind of.

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Check, make sure it's like, Hey, monitor what's going on and that kind of thing.

Lee:

But I mean, there's just so many different attacks on the identity that we carry.

Lee:

What are some things that you think you, you are planning to do or currently

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doing along with FM to, to help?

Kat:

That pattern interrupt is so good.

Heather:

That's such a good question.

Heather:

I actually Uh, worry about this all the time.

Heather:

Um, uh, so my plan, I do actually have a plan.

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So we are doing, uh, no smart phones till high school.

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And my goal is no social media.

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My goal is that they won't be interested in social media.

Heather:

Um, I don't know that I'll have control over that.

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And to be honest, I think it, it will be influenced.

Heather:

Probably in many ways by what, where they end up schooling and how they

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end up schooling, like if they end up at a high school in person, I think

Heather:

it's really hard to avoid social media once you're, you know, 15, 16, 17.

Heather:

But, um, I think if they end up doing an online, Program, which just depends on if

Heather:

they want to keep acting, which is, um, that might be easier because there might

Heather:

not be that pressure and that influence.

Heather:

But like right now, uh, my kids don't have phones.

Heather:

I mean, they're eight and four, but you know, friends already have phones.

Heather:

He's turning nine.

Heather:

Some of his friends have phones.

Heather:

Um, or they don't have, he has a smartphone.

Heather:

He has a phone only when I'm away like this, but he can like only text and

Heather:

call on it, doesn't do anything else.

Heather:

Um, So, uh, yeah, just no smartphones at all.

Heather:

Um, and I really would like them to hopefully not be interested in

Heather:

social media, but I think at, like, 16, I mean, we're almost done anyway,

Heather:

they've got to learn how to, like, manage some tools and I've got 2 years

Heather:

with them in my house to do that.

Heather:

Help them.

Lee:

Yeah.

Lee:

So

Heather:

like, maybe that's where we'll end up, but definitely no

Heather:

smartphones before high school.

Heather:

I'm not even going to fight that battle.

Heather:

Um, and then the other thing would be like, just for their career wise,

Heather:

there's a lot of parents who grow their kids Instagrams, which is Fine.

Heather:

No judgment.

Heather:

There's people who aren't in this industry that grow their kids.

Heather:

Instagrams.

Heather:

So that's all good.

Heather:

This is so not a judgment.

Heather:

This is just like a choice that I've made.

Heather:

I know you can get sponsorship and I could get, you know, people are like,

Heather:

you could get your kids so much money and you know, all this stuff, but it's

Heather:

not, we're not here for the money.

Heather:

Um, I have chosen to not grow their Instagram accounts if you were on their

Heather:

page, they don't even have a thousand followers, um, they do attach social

Heather:

media to casting, so, and it does help in that way, and I think it lets people

Heather:

like, you know, who are genuinely interested, like, see what's going on.

Heather:

I don't know what's going to happen after Marvel comes out.

Heather:

I don't know.

Heather:

Wake up and he has 30, 000 followers one day.

Heather:

Okay.

Heather:

But it's just like, not something that I seek.

Heather:

It's also not something that I feel like I could totally get rid of, but

Heather:

he has no real awareness around it.

Heather:

Like I don't post it.

Heather:

That would be embarrassing for him later in his life.

Heather:

Or I don't post a lot of videos.

Heather:

It's really just like more photos.

Heather:

Look where we're filming.

Heather:

Yeah, so I don't know.

Heather:

So I don't know what's going to happen with that, but yeah,

Lee:

I'm, I'm the idea of like leading and that too, because you've done the dance

Lee:

world, acting world, um, you're a momager, right now, amazing, taking care of the

Lee:

household with Michael doing his thing.

Lee:

And then, um, What else?

Lee:

Dance, acting, writing, the new thing

Kat:

on your

Lee:

Instagram where you're like giving all the like coaching.

Lee:

Yeah,

Heather:

I love that.

Heather:

Yes, I know.

Heather:

Keep

Lee:

going.

Lee:

We're talking about that for a minute actually.

Lee:

How's the coaching going?

Lee:

Let's just start there.

Heather:

Oh, I, my biggest struggle is consistency, obviously.

Heather:

Like that's my biggest thing was I was like doing so good, but for

Heather:

a very long time, then I got back from New York and it was, I had,

Heather:

I had been gone for four months straight and I just hit like a wall.

Kat:

Yeah.

Heather:

Well, if you guys are like this, but like sometimes it's so intense.

Heather:

And it's so much work and it's like nonstop.

Heather:

And then, you know, Mike is back and forth with us.

Heather:

So sometimes I'm a single parent a lot.

Heather:

And like, I literally just go into like hermit mode.

Heather:

It's like, Oh, I texted Heather and she's taking four days to respond.

Heather:

That's because I'm like.

Heather:

Short circuiting on my, you needed that time to breathe.

Heather:

Yeah.

Heather:

Yeah.

Heather:

You have to like go inward and be like, I love you.

Heather:

I'll see you in one month.

Heather:

Yeah.

Heather:

Yeah.

Heather:

So that's the hardest thing with the social media.

Heather:

So then I ended up hiring somebody this summer to be like, Can you just

Heather:

like come up with all the ideas?

Heather:

And she like comes to my house and films that she's amazing.

Heather:

And she gathers, she edits everything for me.

Heather:

And then all I have to do is like, go on, tweak the caption and post it.

Heather:

And she got me like so many views.

Heather:

And I was like, this is amazing.

Heather:

Cause I don't have to research all this is amazing.

Heather:

But then she, I went to Australia and then her, and it's like hard

Heather:

for me to be doing social media and doing everything else I'm doing.

Heather:

So consistency is my biggest thing.

Heather:

Um, but I put tips on there.

Heather:

Heather's Hollywood hotline.

Heather:

God, I'm not being a very good business owner right now.

Heather:

Okay, let's reedit this.

Heather:

You're doing good.

Heather:

Put this first.

Heather:

Oh yeah.

Heather:

The Instagram page is Heather's Hollywood hotline.

Lee:

Hotline.

Lee:

I love this.

Heather:

How to get your kids into the entertainment industry and thrive.

Heather:

Yeah.

Heather:

Yeah.

Heather:

Um.

Heather:

Instagram,

Lee:

where am I finding this?

Kat:

But seriously, all jokes aside, Heather, the stuff that you put out

Kat:

there is really good because it's coming from a place of experience.

Kat:

You know, this is you're living it out.

Kat:

And so Having, you know, tips for parents out there who are wondering,

Kat:

well, okay, I have this child who is so into, you know, um, entertainment.

Kat:

Right.

Kat:

And what do I do with this child who is so entertainment?

Kat:

And of course, like if they're, if that's their natural inclination,

Kat:

you kind of want to, um, Nurture that right and let them shine

Kat:

because that's what they want to do.

Kat:

But then a lot of parents, I think, are also scared, right?

Kat:

Because it is a scary thing to put your Children in the industry.

Kat:

Yeah, I know.

Kat:

I'm there's just

Heather:

another one on September

Kat:

17th.

Kat:

They're scary.

Kat:

Yeah, actually, the funny thing is, um, You know, I watched, uh, what is that?

Kat:

The quiet on set.

Kat:

I watched it, right?

Kat:

And I told me about it because he didn't watch it, but I told me about it.

Kat:

And I was just like, you know, I was actually thinking about you.

Kat:

And I was like saying, you know what, that's with Heather.

Kat:

If she's, she, if she's, you know, managing her kids, it's never going to

Kat:

happen to those kids because she's going.

Kat:

I mean, you know, I'm very hopeful that it will never, ever happen

Kat:

because I know that you are so.

Kat:

So, um, you know, hands on with them and that, that to me,

Kat:

I'm just like, that's amazing.

Kat:

They're just so blessed.

Lee:

I only have cats so I can go to prison.

Lee:

It's okay.

Lee:

Don't put yourself in that position.

Kat:

But seriously, what, how, how blessed are they to really have a

Kat:

mom who is Present and hands on, you know, like I just think that's really

Kat:

incredible So so that's really cool.

Kat:

But what you've put out there is really truly awesome because I think Parents need

Kat:

guidance, you know with this whole thing I

Heather:

I mean, it's so interesting went back to your point about like

Heather:

that would never happen to my kids.

Heather:

It's so funny because I actually lead with the thought of like, this

Heather:

could absolutely happen to my kids.

Heather:

True.

Heather:

Yes, so they do.

Heather:

Like, I am like, so my job is to build this like, arsenal of education.

Heather:

Around this business, I talk to every single child actor that

Heather:

I am fortunate enough to meet.

Heather:

I had was fortunate enough to be in class, uh, with a very famous child actor who was

Heather:

so generous when dash, he had, let's be tigers come out and it was really good.

Heather:

And he was five years old.

Heather:

And I thought, Oh my God, I think this is going to go way

Heather:

beyond commercials for fun.

Heather:

And he was so lovely because I was able to sit down and I took him

Heather:

out to breakfast and was like, can you just like, tell me everything.

Heather:

And I really asked if I could talk to his mom.

Heather:

Yeah.

Heather:

Um, and he was so generous with his knowledge and a lot of like the stuff he

Heather:

taught me and the confidence he gave me too, you know, cause I was like, well,

Heather:

what if they end up on drugs and alcohol?

Heather:

And, and those are things I don't have control over that.

Heather:

Yeah.

Heather:

And he was so sweet.

Heather:

And he goes, Heather.

Heather:

He goes, you don't have to be a child actor to end up on drugs and alcohol.

Heather:

And I was like, Oh yeah.

Heather:

I know a lot of those people and they are not child actors.

Heather:

You have to be a child.

Heather:

What if he gets bullied?

Heather:

You don't have to be a child actor to get bullied.

Heather:

Oh yeah.

Heather:

My life.

Heather:

Okay.

Heather:

Yeah.

Heather:

And it was like, so you can actually still provide them without

Heather:

having to lead with fear, these incredible life changing experiences.

Heather:

And that gave me a lot of confidence and his mom did a really good job.

Heather:

And so I think that was so encouraging.

Heather:

So I thought, okay, I want to just share.

Heather:

This knowledge with other people and help protect kids.

Heather:

I wish that I could like have more time to devote more advocacy.

Heather:

There's so much that I, I have lists that I keep, but I want to bag and be

Heather:

like, Hey, Let's talk about these things.

Heather:

Like I'm, this is happening.

Heather:

These are where the protections are really shortcoming.

Heather:

And there's so much more that I want to do, but my time is so limited right now.

Heather:

Okay.

Heather:

This is the best avenue right now.

Heather:

I can like people online.

Heather:

And also I've been, um.

Heather:

Hit up a lot because I, I coached dancers for 20 years.

Heather:

I have a ton of coaching experience.

Heather:

And if you've ever coached kids, like you cat, you've coached, you've

Heather:

coached piano, you've coached chess, like everything, when you are a coach.

Heather:

A good coach, the vessel that the message flows through is the same.

Heather:

The message is the same.

Heather:

It's just replacement dance, math, science, but the, the, the way you

Heather:

do it, the way you present it, the way you translate it, the way you

Heather:

motivate, the way you build self esteem, all of that is what matters.

Heather:

And then the subject is just the subject, but I've got a lot of inquiries about like

Heather:

who trains my kids and I train my kids.

Heather:

Anybody else?

Heather:

Cause I'm like, got it dialed in and people are asking if I will coach their

Heather:

kids and I don't have time to coach individually because it's so spontaneous.

Heather:

Like with auditions and stuff.

Heather:

I'm like, I can't even do our own auditions, but I do think that I

Heather:

will end up launching like this.

Heather:

Six week sort of masterclass that is for nine to 12 year olds.

Heather:

That's sort of like an introduction to getting them to be more independent

Heather:

in their form and teach them the foundational skills that like, I

Heather:

am literally working on my kids.

Heather:

Yeah.

Heather:

So I think that that's something that I will probably roll out.

Heather:

I mean, I was supposed to roll it out right now, but I'm in Melbourne.

Heather:

So starting in November, I'll be back in Melbourne.

Heather:

And I think I can do it like, I'll be back because it's never ending.

Heather:

Um, yeah, yeah.

Heather:

I think that that's like a way that I can give back now in

Heather:

this space for a long time.

Kat:

Yeah, no, with the, you know, I think I really like what you said about how.

Kat:

You know, when you are coaching, like I, you know, for me, I really

Kat:

do know that when I teach piano, it is more than just piano, right?

Kat:

I really do feel like I am teaching important life skills because again,

Kat:

you know, whether it's dancing, singing, acting, chess, whatever

Kat:

it is, math, as you said, those are kind of like the vehicles, right?

Kat:

Like those are the things that kind of like the tangible.

Kat:

Skills, but then the life skills that sometimes are so intangible in

Kat:

the beginning that actually comes out as we become adults, right?

Kat:

They are so important.

Kat:

And that's also part of the reason why we started doing this podcast,

Kat:

Heather, is because, uh, I'm actually restructuring my program offering for

Kat:

piano, and I'm really bleeding with, uh, Mindset coaching life coaching.

Kat:

Basically, it's all about mindset and leadership skills, but through music

Kat:

because that's my vehicle, right?

Kat:

As you're looking back, you know, you shared about your

Kat:

own self limiting beliefs.

Kat:

Um, your kids have their own, you know, especially as dashes is growing

Kat:

up all of a sudden you realize, Oh my gosh, comparison is happening

Kat:

now, you know, all these things.

Kat:

What do you think it would be very helpful?

Kat:

For kids nowadays, like in our system, maybe not the school educational

Kat:

system because you know, it's, it's really hard to, to kind of

Kat:

sometimes implement something new and change the way the, the educational

Kat:

system is already doing its thing.

Kat:

But if you were to.

Kat:

Implement something, you know, aside from what you're doing with like

Kat:

Hollywood hotline and all that, what would be like so important for

Kat:

kids to have to be able to get their mindsets strong and develop those

Kat:

leadership values as they're going up?

Heather:

I would love to say like a really solid family foundation, but we

Heather:

all know that that is not always even, even with the parents who have the best

Heather:

intentions, that's not always possible for every child for a lot of kids.

Heather:

So, I mean, I really think that one of the best things is literally like.

Heather:

What we're already doing, which is having responsible adults who are

Heather:

creating joy through whatever vessel that vehicle that is like, whether

Heather:

that's baseball or dance or singing something that whatever that child loves.

Heather:

But here's the thing, having responsible adults who.

Heather:

Are not in it for their own ego who are really genuinely there to mentor

Heather:

the kids because they will always have a space that they can go to that

Heather:

they can connect with an adult that they can trust and someone who really

Heather:

believes in them and cheers them on.

Lee:

And I

Heather:

have a lot of really strong feelings about.

Heather:

The people who are in the mentorship space, I find that with kids, it

Heather:

is incredibly, I mean, probably all across the board, but kids

Heather:

is a space I've always been in.

Heather:

It's very like egocentric and I have my own experiences

Heather:

where I really looked up to.

Heather:

Someone who I really respected.

Heather:

And then when I got to know them, they were more interested in

Heather:

making sure that I didn't rise to keep them inflated, actually

Heather:

genuinely helping me move forward.

Heather:

Yeah.

Heather:

And I met those mentors time met them like time and again, and it's just devastating.

Heather:

I, I coached a girl, uh, for acting for an audition.

Heather:

And she came to me and I found out halfway through coaching her that she had

Heather:

already been coached for this audition.

Heather:

And she, she broke down crying and she told me that she went to the coach.

Heather:

It was for a series regular.

Heather:

She was a little bit greener student.

Heather:

And the coach said, I can't even help you with this.

Heather:

This is so beyond you.

Heather:

Like the waste of time.

Heather:

Like you, I can't even coach you for this.

Heather:

She's like 10 years old.

Heather:

Do you know?

Heather:

And it wasn't like she did it in a really gentle way.

Heather:

No, I couldn't tell her.

Heather:

On the, on the zoom, you know, cause I don't really know her that well, you know,

Heather:

I want to be like, yeah, we're doing this, you know, but, and I didn't want

Heather:

to tell her we're going to, you're going to book it because at that time, in that

Heather:

moment in her training, she wasn't right.

Heather:

I said, you know what, this is, this is the opportunity for you to show casting

Heather:

what you can do and you can do a lot.

Heather:

So let's get to work, you know, with that, who is this other woman forget that woman.

Heather:

What right does she have to, to push this 10 year old down?

Heather:

So what?

Heather:

Like, Oh, Oh, the coach, the all knowing acting coach, like, I see the same thing.

Heather:

Crap all the time.

Heather:

And I just like, it makes me like go crazy because that can

Heather:

have a lasting impact forever.

Heather:

I mean, that girl could remember that moment forever.

Heather:

And so it's so important to keep people like you and me and coaches in that space

Heather:

that are like, really like have big hearts and I, this is not about me, you know?

Lee:

Like I know, I know cat's history and where some of that

Lee:

passion for lifting other people up.

Lee:

Really comes from, uh, from like a deep, deep place.

Lee:

Do you remember when?

Lee:

Some of the, some of those moments really broke you, like really hurt you where

Lee:

this strength has really grown out of.

Heather:

Yeah, I, I do.

Heather:

Um, you know, I didn't, uh, grow up in like competitive, Uh, when

Heather:

I was a kid, I didn't start that till like I was older, like 15.

Heather:

So it wasn't really when I was a kid, it was in my early twenties.

Heather:

I was super vulnerable.

Heather:

I was like in LA, I was broke.

Heather:

I, we were on edge scholarship.

Heather:

We had had body evaluations.

Heather:

I was.

Heather:

You know, on the verge of probably waiting for the catalyst to

Heather:

kickstart my eating disorder.

Heather:

You know, it was just like, we just needed someone smoking a cigarette

Heather:

next to a haystack for that to get.

Heather:

Wow.

Heather:

We got, I'm going to tell, I'm going to tell this story.

Heather:

I'm not going to tell names, but I'm going to tell this

Heather:

story because this is messed up.

Heather:

This.

Heather:

So we had to do our edge scholarship show, right?

Heather:

Yeah.

Heather:

And our director made us go set up meetings with every, with all the

Heather:

agents that didn't pick us, so that we could get like a good idea, right?

Heather:

Yeah.

Heather:

So that you could get feedback about why they didn't pick you.

Heather:

Yeah.

Heather:

Got your big panties on and, and learn something.

Heather:

Yeah.

Heather:

And move on and figure out how to get signed, right?

Heather:

Yeah.

Heather:

Or go in there and negotiate and fight for yourself and figure out how to get signed.

Lee:

Mm-hmm

Lee:

. Heather: Great.

Lee:

So, um.

Lee:

I got, I got no agent offers from the Edge scholarship, which was devastating.

Lee:

Just, that was like, oh my God, I gave up a full ride academic scholarship

Lee:

at Arizona state university to come to LA to, you know, my parents, like,

Lee:

where are you supposed to be a lawyer?

Lee:

You know, I danced 40 hours a week.

Lee:

I worked 20 hours on the weekends at express.

Lee:

Yeah.

Lee:

What?

Lee:

You know, on my feet 24 seven and I got no agent offers.

Lee:

So of course I had to go make all these, I didn't go make all of these meetings.

Lee:

And I went to the first one and it was for, at the time was the biggest, hottest.

Lee:

Dance agency that you can, and I went in there and this woman sat across from

Lee:

me and she told me that I was not, she goes, I don't even really remember you.

Lee:

I feel like you weren't memorable.

Lee:

There's nothing unique about you that makes you stand out.

Lee:

You look like a very regular person.

Lee:

Um, you're, you're really pale.

Lee:

So like, if you don't want to tan or commit to spray tans, I feel like

Lee:

you should maybe dye your hair black.

Lee:

You should consider blue contacts.

Lee:

To make yourself look more exotic.

Lee:

Like, I just think that we don't know what to do with you and you're not, we

Lee:

just like, you're just very, very plain.

Lee:

Wow.

Lee:

And I remember pairing that with the message at a rehearsal that we had for

Lee:

our edge scholarship show, where we were in a dance, you were, I believe

Lee:

we're in that dance as well, Kat.

Lee:

And we have, um, these two piece outfits on.

Lee:

And after we were done, we were told, sorry, I'm like, really, I

Lee:

don't want to use anyone's name.

Lee:

We were told that we did not work hard enough, that our bodies were

Lee:

not ripped enough, and that if the choreographer could not come up

Lee:

with a one piece situation for the show in like whatever, two days it

Lee:

was, then the piece would be pulled.

Lee:

So All of these voices that were so powerful, the gatekeepers of the

Lee:

world, I had sacrificed everything to get into it very, very clear to

Lee:

me that I was not enough and I did not belong in this industry and I,

Lee:

Looking at, I went on to get signed by, I will say her name, Lisa at MSA.

Lee:

She owns a separate talent agency, which is wonderful.

Lee:

Yeah.

Lee:

Wonderful.

Lee:

Bless that woman.

Lee:

And even if she hadn't signed me on that day, the way she treated

Lee:

me with respect was so wonderful.

Lee:

And I don't understand why receivers have that kind of power, you know,

Lee:

but it's, it's And I was never taught with intention, learn how

Lee:

to not give up my power, which is something I do teach my kids now.

Kat:

Wow.

Kat:

Yeah.

Heather:

That was like really, really, really rough.

Heather:

I think that kickstarted a very, the cigarette fell into the haystack.

Heather:

Yeah.

Heather:

And years of, uh, chaos and emotional recovery and self discovery,

Heather:

which I'm thankful for now.

Heather:

Yeah.

Heather:

It makes me who I am and I'm a better mother because of it.

Heather:

I see things.

Heather:

You know, I pay attention to things and I've helped a lot of kids.

Heather:

Yeah,

Lee:

I really hope some somebody in the creative world or even actually, I mean

Lee:

that transcends the creative world Just if you're out there and like you have

Lee:

somebody that's That negative voice.

Lee:

You really need to cut that out.

Lee:

Actually, I just had a text from a recent MBA grad who went to a women's group, like

Lee:

a women's leadership group in LA here.

Lee:

And one of the messages she walked away from was like, surround yourself

Lee:

with people that build you up.

Lee:

And stay away from the negative voices.

Lee:

And she's like, you know, like all through high school, college, she had a rough time

Lee:

and then she just moved to a different circle where people are like lifting

Lee:

each other up and building each other up.

Lee:

And like, there are those circles

Heather:

you have

Lee:

to get out of sometimes where you're at.

Lee:

And you have to go into new circles, but those buildup circles are there.

Lee:

That's

Heather:

exactly what happened to me.

Heather:

That's like a hundred percent what happened to me.

Heather:

I remember landing in Greg Russell's tap world and it was like, they're

Heather:

all the sudden there were all these, I mean, I say this as like, literally

Heather:

like the biggest compliment, but like tap nerds, like me, you have to be a

Heather:

certain type of person as an adult.

Heather:

Just tap dancing at the seriousness that we were taking it.

Heather:

You know what I mean?

Heather:

Like, like, like, let's just, if you can't laugh at that, if you can't pull

Heather:

yourself out of the forest to laugh at the trees a little bit, like, you

Heather:

really like a certain kind of person.

Heather:

But that was, That was Greg Russell as a mentor, one of, I think for many

Heather:

people, you know, he's not a perfect man.

Heather:

He's not, he was one of my best friends.

Heather:

So I get on many levels.

Heather:

It was not a perfect man, but he was such a fantastic mentor.

Heather:

I mean, he literally lifted everybody up, everybody.

Heather:

I mean, he made you feel like a million bucks.

Heather:

He was like, Bring it in here.

Heather:

Yes, you can.

Heather:

Yes, you can.

Heather:

Yes, you can.

Heather:

When I went to his memorial, it was like, there was this sort of like,

Heather:

this sort of theme of his memorial service was that he believed in me

Heather:

before I even believed in myself.

Heather:

And I was like, wow, like that, that is so powerful.

Heather:

I want to be that kind of mentor.

Heather:

But yeah, I think it was just like, He was, he believed in people

Heather:

before they believed in themselves.

Heather:

And I remember thinking, that's what I want people to say about me.

Heather:

And I see that thing in him that they couldn't see yet.

Heather:

That if you had to me, if you had to sum up mentorship, that

Heather:

is like the foundation of it.

Heather:

To express itself through that human.

Heather:

And Greg was never, if you, if you were to like be in his company and be like,

Heather:

you know what, this isn't working for me.

Heather:

I'm going to leave and go do this other thing.

Heather:

Greg would never shame you for that.

Heather:

He would never talk bad about you for that.

Heather:

He would never.

Heather:

He would just be like, I wish you the best of luck.

Heather:

He was so ego involved.

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I do really believe 100 percent to me.

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Same thing like mentorship, coaching.

Kat:

It's really about, um, Seeing their potential and calling them to that

Kat:

potential and believing in them before they can even believe in themselves.

Kat:

And, and, you know, when they are, when they're having these self

Kat:

limiting beliefs, it's like, no, I refuse to fight for your limitation.

Kat:

I'm not going to fight for your limitation with you.

Kat:

Like I'm going to fight for actually, uh, what I believe

Kat:

you're so much more capable of.

Kat:

And, and I love that because I feel like.

Kat:

That shows up all the time with like with my classes do like with piano, you know

Kat:

It's it's it's crazy how and I see it, too It's it's funny how I see it as they

Kat:

get older like I always see, you know Like the young kids like six year olds.

Kat:

They're like, oh, yeah, I can do anything they're they're excited about it and then

Kat:

we get to higher levels as they get older and they're like That's that's hard.

Kat:

I'm like, oh Uh, no kidding.

Kat:

It's hard because we're at a different level, you know, but

Kat:

does that mean you can't do it?

Kat:

I'm like you've already done hard things.

Kat:

Guess what?

Kat:

When you were six and you learned this first piece that was hard

Kat:

You just didn't see it as hard at that time because you were a kid.

Kat:

You didn't you thought you could do everything

Heather:

Uh, so crazy, right?

Heather:

I know there's this um, there's like two greg Like sayings that he used to do that.

Heather:

I like totally stole that.

Heather:

I love so much Um, the, of course this one I say all the time,

Heather:

but it's a share, not a compare.

Heather:

Is that like in my house all the time?

Heather:

People are like, you know, are, are you, do your kids ever get jealous?

Heather:

Like, is Dash jealous?

Heather:

Cause he's now having to be the one who's in Melbourne on the sidelines

Heather:

while his brother's working.

Heather:

And I'm like, no, it's like totally cheering him on,

Heather:

you know, are you jealous?

Heather:

Because your kids are working and you have no time for yourself

Heather:

and you can't get an audition.

Heather:

I'm like, no, I'm happy for my kids.

Heather:

People are really awesome.

Heather:

I get it.

Heather:

It's like a bad question.

Heather:

But then, but even outside of that too, is like, I'll tell my kids, it's okay

Heather:

if another kid gets that role because it's a share, not a compare, and there's

Heather:

going to be more roles and there's enough room for all of us at the top.

Heather:

But the other saying that I love too, when you were talking about where you're

Heather:

like, no, I'm not going to, I'm not going to reinforce your limiting beliefs.

Heather:

Greg, like going back to that, like snapping kids out of it, you know, can't

Heather:

say FM, um, then I would say, uh, he would always go like, who knows more

Heather:

about tap near you and he'd go, well, you, and then he'd go, okay, so stop talking.

Heather:

The kids would be like, I can't do it.

Heather:

I don't know what it, I suck that one.

Heather:

I suck.

Heather:

I'll never get it.

Heather:

I suck.

Heather:

Yeah.

Heather:

I go more about cat near you and they would go you and I'd go, Yeah.

Heather:

So you don't even know enough to make that judgment.

Heather:

Like be quiet, go, stop.

Heather:

What are you doing?

Heather:

Stop.

Heather:

Why would you, okay.

Heather:

Bye.

Heather:

It's like, don't even entertain it.

Heather:

You know what I mean?

Heather:

Yeah, exactly.

Heather:

Yeah.

Heather:

Okay.

Heather:

Well, I believe in you.

Heather:

So I know more about zap.

Heather:

So sorry.

Heather:

Bye.

Heather:

Here we go.

Heather:

Keep going.

Heather:

Flat ball chain.

Heather:

I can't do this math.

Heather:

It's hard.

Heather:

It's no, you can't do math.

Heather:

You just did math.

Heather:

Like, you know, math, although that won't last long, more about

Heather:

math, but you know what I'm saying?

Heather:

It's like, so right.

Heather:

It's like, yeah, we're not, I'm not riding this ride with you.

Heather:

Bye.

Heather:

You know, try not to put, I don't want to be like, I don't want to also get

Heather:

on like the drama train with them.

Heather:

More like that.

Heather:

Like one of those, like, you know, like slap out of it.

Heather:

You know, it's like,

Kat:

I

Heather:

don't know.

Kat:

Uh, so good.

Kat:

Well, Heather, this has been really wonderful.

Kat:

I have like one last question, but I don't know if you have a, another one before we,

Lee:

I'm getting flashbacks of like, yeah, my time teaching and like

Lee:

seeing those different moments where you literally slap it out of them.

Lee:

But like, you know, there's fear and you just pull out the bravery, you

Lee:

know, from these individuals to go and stand up and defend themselves.

Lee:

Uh, the students that I've talked to over the last 20 years, seeing

Lee:

the limiting beliefs that they've had all the way through from.

Lee:

You know, middle school, high school, and then getting into college, you

Lee:

know, those formative years where just like you, uh, or had some negative

Lee:

voices thrown at you after getting out, these people had that before they

Lee:

even get started on their journey.

Lee:

And, um, The, the growth, the overcoming of the challenges, the success, you

Lee:

know, finding the circles of people who believe in them, finding their tribe,

Lee:

finding the, you know, animation nerds, the fashion nerds, the cooking nerds, the

Lee:

construction nerds, the designer nerds, you know, your pockets are out there.

Lee:

Um, it's just a matter of like really connecting with those positive ones

Lee:

that, that build you up and bring you Bring you that joy, bring you that peace,

Lee:

bring you that fulfillment in what we do.

Heather:

It's literally lifesaving.

Heather:

Like when you're talking about it is so importantly, like finding your

Heather:

people can be lifesaving, everything.

Heather:

So, you know, yeah.

Heather:

And you guys are like doing that for people.

Heather:

Like that's, you know, We get weighed down in the like the, you know,

Heather:

our life in our, I do for sure.

Heather:

I'd like, I mean, this is so much work, you know, or like, even like building

Heather:

out business models and all the other.

Lee:

Yeah.

Heather:

Oh wait, this is actually really important work.

Lee:

Yeah.

Lee:

Absolutely.

Lee:

And lasting and impactful.

Lee:

Yeah.

Lee:

That's the other side of it too.

Lee:

It's not

Heather:

just

Lee:

like important for a moment, like this is the skills that you are

Lee:

putting in or putting out there for people to take in, like live on like

Kat:

their

Lee:

entire lives.

Lee:

You know, in, in

Kat:

every area.

Kat:

Yeah.

Kat:

It's so, it's so important.

Kat:

Well, Heather, should we do like a little, like little this or that?

Kat:

I know we did plan that, but it would be fun to do it with Heather.

Kat:

Oh, go for

Lee:

it.

Kat:

This or that.

Kat:

Oh, this or you this or that.

Kat:

And then, uh,

Lee:

wrap it up because she's gotta go.

Kat:

Heather noodles or rice or none of the above.

Kat:

Rice.

Heather:

Rice.

Heather:

Okay.

Heather:

Before gluten free Heather, I probably would pick noodles, but rice, uh,

Lee:

swords or rifles,

Kat:

swords, , uh, books or movies.

Lee:

Puzzles or Uno?

Kat:

Uno.

Kat:

It's more fast paced.

Kat:

Beach or mountains?

Heather:

Beach.

Lee:

Since you have two boys, pee or poop?

Heather:

No.

Heather:

You know what?

Heather:

I'm gonna have to go with poop.

Heather:

And that sounds weird, but the poop is always just in the toilet

Heather:

and it's done and it's flushed.

Heather:

The P is everywhere and it like haunts you and it seeps and you'll clean the

Heather:

whole bathroom and you'll go, how could it possibly still smell like urine in here?

Heather:

We actually would pick the poop.

Heather:

Yeah.

Heather:

Yeah.

Heather:

I guess we.

Heather:

It

Lee:

holds together.

Lee:

There's a whole lot of like a whole, yeah.

Lee:

The P is

Heather:

forever.

Heather:

The P is forever.

Heather:

It's like, you're not even cleaning the walls.

Heather:

I mean,

Lee:

I

Kat:

guess, I guess we could stop there.

Kat:

That's hilarious.

Lee:

Why don't we go to that last question?

Kat:

I love it, but you know what?

Kat:

It's true because even with cats, yeah, poop and pee.

Kat:

I mean, yeah, pee, it's lingers forever, but at least when you can clean it up, the

Kat:

pee is just like, oh my gosh, thankfully my cat, we, our cats don't do that.

Kat:

Our cats know how to use the litter.

Kat:

So Have accidents, no

Heather:

accidents.

Heather:

So it's,

Kat:

it's okay.

Heather:

You sound

Kat:

like

Heather:

me when the kids are at the store throwing a tantrum.

Heather:

I'm like, they're never like this.

Kat:

Except just for today.

Kat:

Today is just, you know, a weird situation.

Kat:

It's one of those random days.

Kat:

Awesome.

Kat:

Okay.

Kat:

Well, Heather, thank you for playing with us today and for

Kat:

spending your time with us.

Kat:

Uh, we want to end with this question.

Kat:

What is your idea of a wildly wealthy life?

Heather:

Oh my gosh.

Heather:

I think that what I've learned, um, along the way is that the happiest

Heather:

I've ever been has not been Had much to do with money, but it has

Heather:

everything to do with relational wealth.

Heather:

And what I mean by that is it is the health of the relationships with

Heather:

the people that are in your life.

Heather:

And, um, if you are surrounded by really good people who care about you and you

Heather:

have healthy relationships, I think you can weather anything that's thrown at you.

Heather:

You know, like.

Heather:

The ups and downs through life.

Heather:

Um, but at the end of the day, it comes down to the company you keep

Heather:

and the health of that company.

Heather:

And, um, yeah, because you can have all the success in the

Heather:

world and get all the things.

Heather:

But if you don't have good people who love you, I mean, what do you have?

Kat:

Yeah.

Kat:

Well, Heather, thank you so much.

Kat:

This is really great.

Kat:

I'm so happy to see you all the way from Melbourne right now.

Heather:

Well, but when I get back though, we really will do like, Proper

Heather:

proper lunch and hopefully I'll have time when I get back this round.

Heather:

But if not, It's okay.

Kat:

I know you have like a crazy busy into November December.

Kat:

It's okay.

Heather:

Anything but hanging out with friends.

Heather:

Okay That's it.

Lee:

Where can people find you?

Lee:

And should there be any specific movie tickets that we should

Lee:

buy in the coming weeks?

Heather:

Oh, yeah This question Yes, please go check out Venom 3 in the

Heather:

theaters with Tom Hardy and Reese Ifans and Alana Ubach and Juno Temple

Heather:

and so many other great people.

Heather:

But who's

Lee:

the special one that we're looking for?

Heather:

Bash McLeod, my son will be in it.

Heather:

The, uh, I was told he would be in about a third of the movie,

Heather:

but we're about to find out here.

Heather:

Like two and a half weeks, uh, how much of it he is in, but he

Heather:

is a main part of the storyline.

Heather:

So we're very excited for that.

Heather:

That was really, really fun to film.

Heather:

So, so cool to film.

Heather:

So fun to do.

Heather:

Um, and then you can find me on Instagram.

Heather:

That's like my, that's my spot.

Heather:

That's my spot is, uh, you can follow me personally.

Heather:

Why period not period Heather.

Heather:

Cause why not Heather?

Heather:

Because, No limiting beliefs.

Heather:

Why not, Heather?

Heather:

That's literally where that whole handle is stemmed from.

Heather:

And then, um, then you can also find me at Heather's period Hollywood period

Heather:

hotline for all the tips and tricks on how to get your kids in the biz.

Heather:

And then you can find all my kids on those pages.

Heather:

You'll figure it out.

Heather:

Um, but yeah, I know.

Heather:

Uh, thank you so much for having me and for the beautiful work

Heather:

that you guys are both doing.

Heather:

Doing in the world and changing a lot of lives and getting the message out.

Heather:

And like, I don't know.

Heather:

That's great.

Kat:

I love that.

Kat:

Thank you.

Kat:

I will definitely, you know, Heather, I haven't been to the movie theater

Kat:

since I think I could, I maybe I've only been to movie theater once since 2020,

Kat:

to be honest, like a wish that's it.

Kat:

Like I watched one of our friends, uh, was the voice for the movie wish.

Kat:

Oh, we went to the movie theater for that.

Kat:

And I think maybe I'll make this a theme.

Kat:

I'm only gonna go watch a movie in the movie theater to

Kat:

support someone that I know.

Kat:

'cause I don't go to the movies.

Kat:

'cause my mind goes to, if I'm gonna sit down for two hours to watch a movie, I

Kat:

need to have my cats on me . So why, why do I need to be in a movie theater when

Kat:

I can sit at home and have my cats on me?

Kat:

You know,

Heather:

I, there's gotta be a theater somewhere where you can bring

Heather:

your cat . Like that house exists.

Heather:

I know, right?

Lee:

That could be a new, the new cat cafe.

Heather:

Yeah, the new

Lee:

business ideas out there.

Heather:

Exactly.

Heather:

Like cat cafe movie night.

Heather:

Oh my gosh.

Heather:

Yes.

Lee:

My mind is literally going to how can I construct this awesome

Lee:

stage with like a cat frame?

Kat:

So I will definitely go watch Venom because you know,

Kat:

uh, we know someone there.

Kat:

Right.

Kat:

So we're actually going to go to the theater

Heather:

this time.

Heather:

This is like comic book stuff.

Heather:

Yeah.

Kat:

Yeah.

Kat:

Awesome.

Kat:

Well, thank you again for being here.

Kat:

Thank

Heather:

you.

Heather:

Bye.

Heather:

Thank you.

Kat:

All right, friends, that's a wrap on today's episode of Wildly Wealthy Life.

Kat:

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Kat:

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Wildly Wealthy Life

Hey There!

We’re Lee and Kat, the voices behind the Wildly Wealthy Life podcast, where we dive into what it really means to live a fulfilling, extraordinary life—one built on mindset, leadership, and creativity.

Back in 2020, we launched the podcast with a focus on interviewing people who had either gained financial freedom or were well on their way. The common thread in every story? Intentional generosity. We shared real stories from people who are living with purpose and giving back.

We made it to 30 episodes, but life had other plans—between launching a new business, losing Lee’s dad, and navigating our own personal challenges, we decided to take a pause and regroup. The world was going through a lot, and so were we.

But even in the midst of all that, we stayed grounded in what matters most to us: living intentionally and generously. Our marriage started with nearly $100K in debt, but through persistence and hard work, we paid it off and went on to buy five properties with a total of 13 units. That journey tested our grit and tenacity, proving to us that no challenge is too great when you're driven by purpose and determination.

When we were ready to relaunch, we knew the focus needed to shift. Now, Wildly Wealthy Life isn’t just about financial freedom—it’s about how brilliant minds and brave hearts, fueled by creativity, a growth mindset, and strong leadership skills, truly lead to an extraordinary life.

As we navigate this journey, we find joy in the little things—like spending time with our three fur babies, King Boogie, Prince Goose, and Princess Smokey. We’ve fostered over 20 kittens, and while we’ve faced the heartache of struggling to have kids after 18 years of marriage, caring for these little furballs has brought us comfort and laughter during some challenging times.

A few other things that bring us joy are gaming, hiking, and all things martial arts for Lee, along with building everything from furniture to model planes. For Kat, it’s all about reading, playing the piano, and having fun with aerial arts. We’re also passionate travelers and have had the privilege of taking our families on wonderful trips around the world.

Our marriage, like any other, has had its ups and downs, but each experience has only deepened our belief that true wealth comes from living with purpose and positively impacting those around us.

We’re excited to bring that message to each episode of Wildly Wealthy Life. So, whether you’re tuning in for mindset shifts, leadership tips, or a creative spark, we hope to inspire you to live your own Wildly Wealthy Life.

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