One Life at a Time: Fighting Human Trafficking with Hanne Fellers

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I get this question a lot and I think it comes down to seeing,

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you know, one life transformed.

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It's like once you see one life going from where it was to then having

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full joy and life and as you guys know, at Zoe's, we've seen that you

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see that joy coming to their lives.

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You see healing, you see just, you know, people that now become

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valuable members of society.

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And so it's continuing to see.

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One person at a time, right?

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Because that's the thing with human trafficking.

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It's like, you can get so overwhelmed at the statistics and the numbers

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and the 50 million people and, you know, all of those types of things.

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But then, I think it still comes back to, oh, the one that I helped in

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that season, the one that moved from, you know, even if it's just one step

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further in their healing process.

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Um, I think, yeah, it comes back to the relationships and the one at a time.

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Today's guest is Hannah Fellers.

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Hannah is an amazing friend of ours, um, who we have been

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so inspired by over the years.

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Uh, she's Korean Norwegian.

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She has traveled to over 25 countries through Impact World Tour.

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And when she was, In her travels, she really got exposed to the exploitation

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in children and that really impacted her and changed the trajectory of what she

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was going to do for the rest of her life.

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She has been working with organizations that really help fight human trafficking.

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She has her own nonprofit called Passport to Freedom.

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And she also worked with Abolish Slavery and Zoe International, and

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she also helped to shape In N Out's initiatives to fight trafficking with

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their Slave to Nothing Foundation.

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She is an incredible powerhouse woman, a mom to two young boys,

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and she loves the arts, she loves storytelling, and strategy.

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So, I'm sure you're not going to want to miss this episode.

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Make sure you stay tuned.

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Hey, my name is Kat.

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And I'm Leigh.

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We're bringing Hana in and before that we'll do a quick recap, babe

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How was your episode with Hana today?

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Hannah is an amazing woman.

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She has a strong love for other people, and I think her upbringing really

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helps kind of set the stage for her.

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And you can really see how things from your past really are carried through your

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entire life, and Will positively affect you as you adapt and grow from them.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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I think the main takeaway for me from the interview with Hana is how everything

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she has done, um, growing up and all the success that she's done in her work and

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the impact that she's made on so many people around her and everything that

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she will continue to do as a leader has really been founded on a strong foundation

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as a child because she was so supported.

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She had this background of, you know, being abandoned by her

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biological parents and got adopted.

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But yet she had this very strong foundation of love and support.

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And I think that is why it's so important.

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It's so important for us as either caregivers, educators, or parents to

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raise kids with such a strong foundation in their identity and in their mindset.

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So you're going to want to keep listening to this episode all the way to the end.

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Let's go ahead and bring Hana in.

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So Hana, when I think about you, I think of someone who has

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really amazing leadership skills.

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And the reason why I say that is because I think that There's a huge difference

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between someone who's an entrepreneur versus someone who's a leader, and I

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think that a leader is actually really someone who can sign on people into

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their vision and be able to, you know, kind of sacrifice parts of themselves

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to be able to support someone's vision.

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And so when I look at you and what you've done, you had this vision

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of, uh, for Passport to Freedom.

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And for putting together like a center in Brazil, and it took you, you know,

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years right to put all of this together.

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But I've seen you over the years, never waver in that vision.

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I've seen you put together events after events to raise that funds

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to, you know, actually come to fruition with this vision.

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And not everybody can do that, you know, and that's the thing you put it out there.

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And you had a way of making people believe in your vision and sign up with you to

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make that vision actually come to pass.

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So I think it's incredible.

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And what I want to ask is, how did you kind of like learn how to become a leader?

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Like, what is some of your most favorite leadership values that you feel you really

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hold on to and what made you learn that?

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I have some

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very

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good.

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Role models.

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I think that's, uh, the main thing at an early age.

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I had, you know, good leaders around me, people who, you know, were

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encouraging, wanted to love on me and wanted to see how they could come

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around me to bring out the best in me.

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And I think that's what makes a really good leader.

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Is loving someone and seeing even like further than that, they, then they

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can see for themselves, see potential and call out that potential and give

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resources and places to where they can kind of practice and use those giftings.

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Right?

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And so, yeah, I just grew up with a lot of really great leaders around

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me at a young age, as a teenager, had a really great leader around me.

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And, uh, when I started traveling with Impact World Tour, that I

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traveled with seven years, the founder, his name is Bill Lannerman.

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He is just one of the most amazing people that is hardworking,

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passionate, and just really knows how to pull out people's giftings.

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And so, yeah, just really good people around me.

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I think that's the main thing.

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When we talk about leadership, um, there's usually different experiences

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that kind of get us into that mentality, get us into that position.

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What were some of your first experiences with leadership?

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I started.

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Kind of like a creative arts slash dance program at my church.

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I think I was 14 or 15 and it was just one of those things where it was like in

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Norway where I'm from, they just didn't really accept dance as a part of like

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church or faith or, you know, and so.

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My youth pastor leader at the time, he just was like, well, I think that the

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Bible talks about dance and I think that, you know, God intended for dance to be

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a part of the church and you love it.

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And.

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You know, you know how to use this to spread a message and to bless others.

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So why don't you do that at our church?

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And just gave me the space invested in getting like dance

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mirrors, uh, for the church.

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And then, yeah, that's kind of how I first started leading.

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So it was pretty, pretty, uh, when I started to lead.

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What were some of the obstacles that you remember at that time

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that you had to kind of overcome?

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A lot of it was that.

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There wasn't a lot of people around me that had gone before me within this yet.

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Um, not in where I was from.

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So I had to look to other places.

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Yeah.

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So it was like finding the music even, you know, like Christian music

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or whatever it was, it was like.

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That was always a challenge, finding the right music, finding people that

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can inspire you to create, you know, new dances and then knowing how to lead.

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But I was pretty fortunate because I met this, uh, young leader that was

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in the capital of Norway that also really believes in me and invested in

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me and kind of helped me figure it out.

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So.

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Even though it was challenging, um, I still had great role models.

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And I think that comes back to my first point of leadership.

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It's like, I believe in being a leader that can pull out the best in someone.

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And inspire them, right?

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Not just, you know, say, this is what you need to do.

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It's more like, how do I inspire you to do something new that I haven't even done?

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That I think that you could do, you know?

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Because that's been your experience.

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Like people showing you that, hey, you can do, you can do this.

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You probably don't know it yet, but you can do this.

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And so that's why you lead that way because that's been your experience.

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For sure.

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Yeah.

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Amazing.

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And how does creativity kind of contribute to your leadership

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skills and how you lead people?

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Yeah.

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So I think when you think of creating in general and creative people,

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I think they're the people who basically run the world and you know,

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they're the ones who come up with, you know, what's the next trend?

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What's the next thing?

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The creatives and unfortunately in, I guess I've learned this more so in America

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and, you know, other places too, but often the arts are the ones that are,

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you know, Oh, we need to cut the budget.

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Let's cut the art piece or the creatives or whatever it is, you

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know, but then I think our society is now changing into wait a minute.

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The creatives are the ones who set the trends and the lead.

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And so, you know, when you think about it, that's how it's been in

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history, but it's starting, I think, to be more acknowledged now, how the

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creatives are the ones who set kind of the next thing for, for society.

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And so, yeah, being creative and, you know, The arts, I think is so important

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in any, uh, leadership skills and how you learn how to create new things, right?

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Cause if not, you're just doing the same old shmable and people are like,

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okay, I seen that in there, done that.

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And I know, I know there's the verse that talks about, there's nothing new

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under the sun, but at the same time, I'm like, God created us creative people.

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Yeah.

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And so I think that in every person, there's something creative, and

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it's about learning how to pull out those creative, you know, ideas.

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And

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that was a creative word, shmammal.

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I've never heard that before.

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Same shmammal.

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You're just gonna keep doing the same shmammal.

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When we are looking at you, you know, there's excellence, there's consistency,

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there's like a grace that you have.

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You're For people, for the projects and whatnot that you're working on when

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you're working with different, different companies, different organizations

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and whatnot, what do you feel are some of the qualities or characteristics

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that can help somebody step into some of those leadership positions?

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I think the most important piece is humility and just being

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able to show that sometimes you're wrong and sometimes things fail.

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But then it's how you rise, it's how you move on, that really shows

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your character and who you are.

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And so I think that's a really important trait in leadership is

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being able to be humble and, you know, admit when you're wrong.

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And then also, I think it's about having a servant posture.

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I've been so fortunate to be around very many leaders who

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just model that so greatly.

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I was the You know, an organization called Zoe that you guys know

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really well for seven years.

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And Mike and Carol Hart are just those people.

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They just show humility and they serve.

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And so it inspires you to want to be like them and to, you know, outdo them in how

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you serve and how you, uh, are humble and just, you know, give joy to God, God, give

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glory where honor and where praise is due.

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Uh, And they're doing amazing work, but they're constantly pointing at other

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people to say, Oh, these people do that.

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And, you know, these are the people that's doing the important work.

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And it just shows that humility, you know, and it's not forced or feels fake.

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It's like genuine humility.

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And so I think that's what has inspired me the most.

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You mentioned a couple times just finding different leaders,

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different mentors and whatnot.

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Is there an approach that you have to seeking these people out?

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Is it just how you carry yourself?

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Do you feel like it's Just an alignment where God has put you

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to, to be under these people.

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Yeah.

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Cause I think about it too, Hannah.

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It's like, like, you really do have like people who it's almost like you're

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always under great, like you're always in great relationship with people, like

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there's gotta be, it's almost like, it's like, how did that just come about?

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Like, is it, you know, like you just meet like the most amazing people all

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the time and it's just incredible.

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Yeah, it's totally, I would say again, it's totally God.

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But at the same time, I think it's about once you meet someone that shows you those

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characteristics, like, you know, humility and leadership and all those things and.

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So to me, it's just about being authentic with those people.

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And like some people, I just did straight up, like, Hey,

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would you spend time with me?

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Can I learn from you?

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You know, and then that kind of has snowballed into maybe, you

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know, work or different things.

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And so even with Zoe too, it was just like, you know, we went on a

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mission trip and then I was like, Oh my gosh, I see the fruits.

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I see, you know, the results.

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I see everything that's going on here.

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Truly.

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The favor of God is upon this organization.

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How can I serve?

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How can I learn how, how you're doing it?

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Why are you doing it?

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And all those pieces.

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And so I think I just kind of had that spirit of being like, how do I learn?

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How do I, how can I grow?

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How can I help you?

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Um, and I think that comes back to leadership skills of being like,

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it's not about yourself, it's about building someone else up.

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Yeah.

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And then all the other things kind of snowball and happen, you know, it's

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taking the focus off of yourself and trying to help someone else, you know?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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When it comes to your heart for helping, uh, you know, kids, youth,

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or anyone that's being, you know, trafficked, where did that desire

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to help, uh, come from in, in that specific, you know, um, group of people?

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It was something, you know, like, I think some, some people are

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born with like, a justice in them.

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Um, but I think there's different pieces that kind of happen that obviously

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led me to kind of focus on that.

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Um, I just remember being a young kid and always being like, you're

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not going to bully my friend.

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And, you know, just always was about like, what's right.

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How do you treat other people kind of thing.

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And then, you know, once I learned and saw, I witnessed, you know,

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prostitution essentially in Amsterdam, but then saw and looked into these

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women that were working their eyes and just saw the emptiness in them.

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And then started learning more about human rights and then, you know,

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witnessed it in Brazil and then witnessed it in Thailand and other places.

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It's just one of those things I say, like, you can't unsee it.

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You can't know about it.

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And I think the injustice and how just straight up wrong it is, is what, you

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know, fueled this like spark in me, um, to want to do something about it.

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And then, yeah, it kind of.

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Just naturally failed into a career and you know what I'm doing now and

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what's nice is that you've Focused on your your passions or like where you

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come alive or helping people rescuing people and then these positions have just

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kind of opened up so I was curious like with the transition from Zoe to like in

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and out For example, what were some of the driving factors for that decision?

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And then how do you think that has really helped accelerate, um, your

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leadership, your, your ability to be creative and to impact that

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you have on the world around you?

Hanne: 00:17:52

Yeah, the Zoe thing, it was interesting cause I so love, you

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know, Zoe and love the leaders.

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Um, but I just, I think it was this thing of, I feel like I need to grow

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and expand my, what I can learn.

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And I felt like I had kind of come to a halt a little bit, where I had worn

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so many different hats at ZOE and been involved in so many projects, where

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I was like, wait, I need to Kind of get out and learn a little bit more,

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which is funny because now I'm kind of communicating a lot with Zoe and probably

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likely will, you know, always somehow work with them and always be a huge

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champion of them as an organization.

Hanne: 00:18:36

But it was a lot of different factors on top of, uh, my husband going through

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some things at the time that kind of led us to need to be out more.

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From the city a little bit more.

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And so, you know, we realized that we need to be closer to nature and all of

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that for healing and for different things.

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And so, um, there were a lot of factors there, but I would say a major thing

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definitely was that I just wanted to expand, like, how can I keep learning?

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How can I keep growing?

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And, you know, in and out burgers.

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Uh, multi billion dollar company and, uh, you know, they have a reach that's

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unreal and so much, you know, people love this company and I still like it.

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Love this company.

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And, uh, it's just has a great reputation.

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And so, yeah, I just felt like it was time to expand and learn something.

Kat: 00:19:35

And so tell us a little bit about that journey of your work with them,

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what you, you know, you did with them and what is your biggest takeaway?

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Like what was, you know, what is the thing that you learned from them

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that you feel like can really be applied to, you know, the next season?

Kat: 00:19:52

That's a good question.

Hanne: 00:19:53

So my main job was, I would say to, you know, represent the foundation.

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Uh, it's called the Slayton Upping Foundation, the owner, president

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of In N Out Burger, Lindsay Snyder, and her husband, Sean Ellingson,

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they created this foundation.

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So it's not very old.

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It's about eight years old now.

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And, you know, it was like their vision.

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And so I joined them.

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And I did a lot of like vetting of nonprofits.

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So they would especially give out grants around, you know, 2.

Hanne: 00:20:28

8 million is what we would give out throughout in and out burgers marketplace.

Hanne: 00:20:33

So they're currently in 10 States and growing a nice standing.

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And it was my job to travel to the different States and meet with.

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Anti trafficking organizations that were working in that marketplace

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and then get them and then recommend funding essentially.

Hanne: 00:20:51

So it was.

Hanne: 00:20:53

That's an amazing experience.

Hanne: 00:20:54

I traveled, you know, I with Slate to Nothing, there was like the

Hanne: 00:20:58

anti trafficking side and then there was a substance abuse side.

Hanne: 00:21:01

Um, and when I first came on board, I was kind of the only person that would do the

Hanne: 00:21:05

vetting where I traveled and everything.

Hanne: 00:21:07

So I did overlap with some substance abuse organizations, which was

Hanne: 00:21:12

amazing because I learned so much just about that and that issue as well.

Hanne: 00:21:17

So between like the two causes, I probably did that about a hundred or so nonprofits.

Hanne: 00:21:23

And so when you get to see that many nonprofits and you get to hear, like,

Hanne: 00:21:28

because of, I think, you know, the way of how In N Out Burger has established

Hanne: 00:21:34

itself as a company, so many people want to be involved with the company.

Hanne: 00:21:38

And so, you know, they.

Hanne: 00:21:40

Make sure that the founders are there or the CEOs are there whenever

Hanne: 00:21:43

I would come visit and so I got to meet so many people who just saw a

Hanne: 00:21:47

need in the community and started a nonprofit and would tell me about

Hanne: 00:21:52

their vision and ideas and all of that.

Hanne: 00:21:54

And so.

Hanne: 00:21:55

I learned firsthand from about a hundred founders for CEOs about why

Hanne: 00:22:01

they started, how they're working, what they're doing, what's working,

Hanne: 00:22:05

what's not working, all those pieces.

Hanne: 00:22:08

And I know for sure, all of those lessons, it's what's kind of trailblazed me now

Hanne: 00:22:13

into what I'm doing now with a firm in New York called the Salt Exchange.

Hanne: 00:22:19

And it's essentially.

Hanne: 00:22:21

Multiple philanthropists and foundations, and I'm hoping it

Hanne: 00:22:25

buys them on funding right now.

Hanne: 00:22:27

So, yeah, it's for sure.

Hanne: 00:22:28

Just kind of guided me to the path of, you know, understanding philanthropy,

Hanne: 00:22:34

understanding giving and what's important for donors and for philanthropists in

Hanne: 00:22:39

regards to where they want to give money.

Hanne: 00:22:42

So I, yeah, I learned so, so much during, during the season for sure.

Kat: 00:22:47

Wow.

Kat: 00:22:48

Yeah.

Kat: 00:22:48

You mentioned earlier humility, right?

Kat: 00:22:51

Something that's very important.

Kat: 00:22:53

For you, I think, and also what you think is one of the best leadership skills

Kat: 00:22:57

is to, uh, values is to have humility with all of those 100 nonprofits that

Kat: 00:23:03

you, you know, met the CEOs, you said you learned, you know, what worked,

Kat: 00:23:06

what didn't work, why they started it, how are they operating all of that?

Kat: 00:23:10

Is there one leadership?

Kat: 00:23:12

value or skill that you feel is the most common out of all of those?

Hanne: 00:23:19

You know, there was such a variety of leaders that were there, but I think

Hanne: 00:23:24

the, the kind of red thread is that again, like I mentioned, they all saw a need.

Hanne: 00:23:31

That they wanted to fulfill however they could and so many people started out

Hanne: 00:23:36

not really knowing what they're doing and some people, you know, then just was

Hanne: 00:23:42

like, oh, I need to go to conferences.

Hanne: 00:23:44

I need to connect with other people.

Hanne: 00:23:46

And, you know, like, I know Zoe because they've been around for

Hanne: 00:23:50

so long, you know, 22, 23 years.

Hanne: 00:23:53

Um, I know they have mentored so many other anti trafficking organizations

Hanne: 00:23:58

because they were kind of early and early organization, whereas, like, I

Hanne: 00:24:02

would say right around, like, 2012 to, like, 2016, there were so many new anti

Hanne: 00:24:09

trafficking organizations that came out.

Hanne: 00:24:12

But by that time, Zoe had already been around for 10 years, you know,

Hanne: 00:24:16

so they were able to like pay it forward and, you know, help Stuart

Hanne: 00:24:21

and teach these other leaders.

Hanne: 00:24:23

Um, so I think again, yeah, it comes back to like, a desire to make a difference.

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Lack of life in people's eyes or whatnot, but has there been a

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spark I guess that has helped you just stay passionate throughout all

Lee: 00:26:45

this because I'm just thinking like, you know, with different things that

Lee: 00:26:48

we saw in Thailand, and in the work that Zoe does and that people fall

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Lee: 00:26:57

What are some things that have kind of been that spark to keep you, keep you

Lee: 00:27:01

moving, you know, throughout that fight?

Hanne: 00:27:03

Yeah, no, that's a good question.

Hanne: 00:27:04

I get this question a lot and I think it comes down to seeing, you know, one life

Hanne: 00:27:10

transformed, it's like, once you see.

Hanne: 00:27:14

One life going from where it was to then having full joy and life.

Hanne: 00:27:19

And as you guys know, as Zoe, we've seen that you see that joy coming

Hanne: 00:27:24

to their lives, you see healing, you see just, you know, people that now

Hanne: 00:27:29

become valuable members of society.

Hanne: 00:27:32

And so it's continuing to see one person at a time, right?

Hanne: 00:27:37

Cause that's the thing with human trafficking.

Hanne: 00:27:40

You can get so overwhelmed at the statistics and the numbers and the 50

Hanne: 00:27:45

million people and, you know, all those types of things, but then I think it

Hanne: 00:27:50

still comes back to, oh, the one that I helped in that season, the one that moves

Hanne: 00:27:56

from, you know, even if it's just one step further in their healing process.

Hanne: 00:28:02

I think, yeah, it comes back to the relationships and the one at a time.

Kat: 00:28:09

Yeah.

Kat: 00:28:10

Can you share, um, a story that of a transformed life that is your favorite

Kat: 00:28:16

that you You know, in days where it's hard for you, you hold on to that

Kat: 00:28:21

story because it's what fires you up.

Hanne: 00:28:24

Yeah, you know, I actually accompanied a survivor, pretty

Hanne: 00:28:28

well known survivor in Los Angeles.

Hanne: 00:28:31

Her name is Rachel Thomas.

Hanne: 00:28:32

I accompanied her to a speaking engagement at an event in

Hanne: 00:28:37

Newport, actually like last week.

Hanne: 00:28:39

And I would say her story is one that I heard kind of early on.

Hanne: 00:28:45

But just being able to have a personal relationship with her, more like a

Hanne: 00:28:50

friendship, like a girlfriend that you see and have lunch with and get

Hanne: 00:28:54

to learn from her and kind of hear her heart, understand what fuels her,

Hanne: 00:29:00

and then also seeing where she's now.

Hanne: 00:29:04

I think I frequently come back to her story because she's just,

Hanne: 00:29:11

she's impacted thousands now.

Hanne: 00:29:13

She has a contract, a prevention contract with.

Hanne: 00:29:16

Um, the state of California, she has her own business where she

Hanne: 00:29:21

has employed over 25 survivors.

Hanne: 00:29:24

She's reaching so many foster care youth and just has, you know, I, she's

Hanne: 00:29:30

prevented probably hundreds of teenagers from going the direction that she went.

Hanne: 00:29:36

And, you know, fell into trafficking and she just, yeah, she's just inspiring,

Hanne: 00:29:43

super humble, so like talented, a strategist, a leader, a spokesperson, and

Hanne: 00:29:53

yeah, just beautiful inside out person.

Kat: 00:29:56

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Kat: 00:29:56

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Kat: 00:29:58

That's awesome.

Lee: 00:29:59

I want to go back a little bit too, because you had your start with

Lee: 00:30:03

dance performance, the creative life that helped get you into some of

Lee: 00:30:07

these beginning leadership roles.

Lee: 00:30:09

How has creativity been a tool for you when you're moving in through,

Lee: 00:30:15

like, I imagine like looking at a lot of spreadsheets and, you know, if

Lee: 00:30:19

doing evaluations and profit margin loss, uh, reviews and everything else.

Hanne: 00:30:25

All the same.

Hanne: 00:30:27

Yeah, um, I think the creator can, you know, speak to you in such a

Hanne: 00:30:34

different way from like, You know, when I would travel, I would listen

Hanne: 00:30:39

to music that would inspire me.

Hanne: 00:30:42

I would try and surround myself with the arts wherever I could, you

Hanne: 00:30:46

know, go to a show, uh, you know, go to museum, make sure I walk the

Hanne: 00:30:52

streets to, you know, appreciate the architecture and, you know, all of that.

Hanne: 00:30:56

And so I think the arts in general is used to kind of speak and fuel and

Hanne: 00:31:02

refuel you and bring you new ideas and.

Hanne: 00:31:07

It just, it, to me, it often is used, I feel like, by God, to like reaffirm

Hanne: 00:31:13

the direction I'm going or kind of the season that I am, that I'm in,

Hanne: 00:31:20

uh, like throughout my whole life, there's music, especially that's

Hanne: 00:31:25

spoken to me in every, you know, great season and also like difficult

Hanne: 00:31:31

season, and it's just kept me through.

Hanne: 00:31:35

Those hard times, you know, it's like fuels you to keep going and inspired

Hanne: 00:31:41

you to, or inspired me to want to do better and to, you know, create myself.

Hanne: 00:31:49

And so, yeah, the arts is just so essential.

Hanne: 00:31:54

Everything.

Kat: 00:31:55

Yeah, I want to touch on that a little bit deeper, Hannah, because I, you

Kat: 00:31:58

know, I love, love, love teaching piano.

Kat: 00:32:00

And one of the reasons why I love it is because I tell the kids that, you

Kat: 00:32:04

know, what a gift it is because music is already a gift in and of itself, right?

Kat: 00:32:08

But what a gift it is to not just be able to listen to music and

Kat: 00:32:11

connect with music that way, but to actually be able to play the music

Kat: 00:32:16

that you love to listen to, right?

Kat: 00:32:17

Like such a gift.

Kat: 00:32:19

And so, and you know, my students are kids, right?

Kat: 00:32:21

So like, yeah.

Kat: 00:32:22

They don't understand that right now, right?

Kat: 00:32:23

They don't understand that, but me as an adult, when I sit on the piano

Kat: 00:32:26

and play, I'm like, Man, like, this is just such a, like, I still can't

Kat: 00:32:31

believe that it's a gift, you know?

Kat: 00:32:32

It's really, truly amazing.

Kat: 00:32:34

Why is it so, like, as you said, for you, music is one of those where,

Kat: 00:32:38

like, it comes to you all the time.

Kat: 00:32:41

Why music of all things?

Kat: 00:32:43

I mean, I'm sure you're very artistic.

Kat: 00:32:45

I know this about you.

Kat: 00:32:46

You do so many artistic things, but you mentioned music.

Kat: 00:32:49

So I want to tap into that.

Kat: 00:32:51

Why music?

Hanne: 00:32:52

I think from a really young age, my parents really loved music and they, uh,

Hanne: 00:32:59

would encourage me to play music and to.

Hanne: 00:33:03

Listen to music.

Hanne: 00:33:05

And then once I kind of became my own person, you know, like

Hanne: 00:33:09

in your teenage years, you kind of break out and everything.

Hanne: 00:33:13

I just, I was always drawn to it.

Hanne: 00:33:16

And it spoke to me, like I said, in so many seasons, I

Hanne: 00:33:19

look back at like my childhood.

Hanne: 00:33:21

It's so funny because now I have, you know, kids on my own.

Hanne: 00:33:24

And so I think about what music should I introduce them to?

Hanne: 00:33:28

And, you know, what were the songs that I listened to?

Hanne: 00:33:31

And.

Hanne: 00:33:31

As I go back and, like, listen to, like, my Norwegian cassette tapes, uh, and hear

Hanne: 00:33:37

the kind of messages that I was listening to, it's so funny because it, I look

Hanne: 00:33:43

back and I'm like, oh, no wonder I felt this way about certain things, and no

Hanne: 00:33:49

wonder I learned about God in this way.

Hanne: 00:33:52

And yeah, so I think just from a really young age, it was like infused

Hanne: 00:33:57

in me that music was a part of life that could speak and could influence.

Kat: 00:34:04

Yeah, I totally agree.

Kat: 00:34:06

I think that, um, you know, you can tell a story, right?

Kat: 00:34:09

Uh, or, or you can, you can tell someone about something, not in a story form,

Kat: 00:34:14

but just, you know, outright tell them, or you can tell them a story.

Kat: 00:34:17

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Kat: 00:34:21

Because there's something about the functionality of the brain

Kat: 00:34:24

and how, you know, it's wired.

Kat: 00:34:26

We love storytelling, but then if you put story into a song, I

Kat: 00:34:31

think that it even multiplies the connectivity of why we remember things.

Kat: 00:34:35

I told Lee the other day, I said, you know, the Bible verses that I

Kat: 00:34:39

remember are the ones that I sang in Sunday school, you know, and to this

Kat: 00:34:42

day, I still sing these Bible verses.

Kat: 00:34:44

And I'm like, why do I remember these?

Kat: 00:34:46

I'm like, it's because it's music.

Kat: 00:34:48

You know, I don't remember the ones that were spoken to me.

Kat: 00:34:50

But I remember the ones that were that I would listen to over and

Kat: 00:34:53

over again and sing, um, but I want to go back into your childhood.

Kat: 00:34:57

Sorry, babe.

Kat: 00:34:58

It's, it's like, there's so many questions we want to ask you, Hannah.

Kat: 00:35:01

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Kat: 00:35:04

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Kat: 00:35:08

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Kat: 00:35:11

Share with our audience, you know, uh, one of that is the fact that,

Kat: 00:35:14

you know, you were abandoned as a child and you were adopted.

Kat: 00:35:18

And, uh, what I want to know is, you know, growing up and knowing

Kat: 00:35:23

that you were abandoned, what were some of the, um, limiting beliefs

Kat: 00:35:29

that you had to go through, right?

Kat: 00:35:32

And had to kind of like put a stop on how obviously you're such an amazing leader.

Kat: 00:35:38

So how did you grow up with a growth mindset, especially in in your case where,

Kat: 00:35:45

you know, of course, your parents who adopted you, they're, they're amazing.

Kat: 00:35:49

They raised you into this beautiful, amazing woman, but

Kat: 00:35:52

still like being abandoned.

Kat: 00:35:54

And, you know, all of that has got to have some Sort of impact on you.

Kat: 00:35:59

And I want to know what that was for you.

Hanne: 00:36:01

Yeah, I think that the hard shifts are the ones that really

Hanne: 00:36:08

define you and make you grow and Um, you know, the joy and all of that

Hanne: 00:36:14

people can relate to, but I think, you know, the hardships is what people

Hanne: 00:36:19

where people really, really connect.

Hanne: 00:36:21

And so I often, you know, get asked, like, how does that feel?

Hanne: 00:36:25

Like, what do you think?

Hanne: 00:36:26

Did you have an age where that was a really hard thing for you?

Hanne: 00:36:29

And.

Hanne: 00:36:29

It's very interesting because I can't remember a season that

Hanne: 00:36:35

was a very long season where I had a difficult time with it.

Hanne: 00:36:39

I was very fortunate to have parents that taught me about God at a really young age.

Hanne: 00:36:46

And the amazing thing about a relationship with God is that, you

Hanne: 00:36:52

know, that you're created for a purpose.

Hanne: 00:36:55

If you have read the words, you know that you're created for a purpose

Hanne: 00:36:58

and that God has a plan for your life and that there is all these.

Hanne: 00:37:05

Different gifts and talents and things that he can help spark in you.

Hanne: 00:37:09

And my parents were really good, like really, really good at fueling

Hanne: 00:37:15

that in me and speaking that over me.

Hanne: 00:37:18

And so I don't like, you know, how like.

Hanne: 00:37:21

Some kids, they're like, Oh, I didn't know I was adopted until I was like 12.

Hanne: 00:37:25

My mom told me, you know, things like that.

Hanne: 00:37:28

And for me, it was a thing that I always knew.

Hanne: 00:37:32

Like, I can't, I can't remember a time not knowing.

Hanne: 00:37:35

And obviously like being in Norway and being Asian, I can look in

Hanne: 00:37:39

the mirror and be like, okay, that's not my mom and dad, but.

Hanne: 00:37:45

It was just like a thing that I always knew and I think, you

Hanne: 00:37:50

know, everything in your childhood really has an impact on you.

Hanne: 00:37:56

And I think because I was so fortunate, I like credit this back to like my friends

Hanne: 00:38:02

and the people that I were was around.

Hanne: 00:38:06

Is that they always just saw me as me and not as something super different,

Hanne: 00:38:13

you know, there, there will always be those kids that would be like bullies

Hanne: 00:38:16

and say, oh, Asian yellow rice, you know, whatever things that they're going to say.

Hanne: 00:38:22

But the people who I knew really loved me and that were in my corner

Hanne: 00:38:29

just always had my back and always, um, you know, loved me for me.

Hanne: 00:38:35

And so I just grew up in a very, very supportive community.

Hanne: 00:38:41

And so I think all of that, um, really helped me be able to

Hanne: 00:38:45

be like, okay, I can do this.

Hanne: 00:38:48

I can.

Hanne: 00:38:49

You know, go for my dreams.

Hanne: 00:38:51

I know again, God created me for a purpose.

Hanne: 00:38:54

There's something I can do for him.

Hanne: 00:38:56

And I think as you learn and grow and learn about God, you realize that it's

Hanne: 00:39:03

about God and it's about loving people.

Hanne: 00:39:07

And so how can I do that better?

Hanne: 00:39:09

How can I, you know, and once you love people, truly love them.

Hanne: 00:39:15

They see it and they acknowledge it and there's fruit, you know, however

Hanne: 00:39:19

that happens in leadership or in friendship or family, you know.

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Hanne: 00:42:22

I think, again, it's about people, and so trying to find the right people

Hanne: 00:42:29

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Hanne: 00:42:34

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Hanne: 00:42:47

you know, all these different things.

Hanne: 00:42:49

And so I think it's like.

Hanne: 00:42:51

Obviously, we always want to keep our circles a certain size because you

Hanne: 00:42:55

can't connect with everybody, but I am a firm believer that you can learn

Hanne: 00:43:00

something from pretty much anyone.

Hanne: 00:43:02

So then wherever there's some kind of response back, or like, if you get

Hanne: 00:43:08

like someone that says, Oh, yeah, I'm willing to meet with you, say yes.

Hanne: 00:43:12

Like, go an extra mile, uh, be, try and be bold, like, like I said, so much of

Hanne: 00:43:20

it has come from me saying to someone like, you know, Mike and Carol Hart, like,

Hanne: 00:43:24

I'm so inspired by what you're doing.

Hanne: 00:43:26

How can I learn?

Hanne: 00:43:27

And then that turned into a career for seven years, you know, um, so I think

Hanne: 00:43:33

it's continuing to like, look for the open spaces where there's like some

Hanne: 00:43:38

kind of give or pull that you can, you know, attach to, um, and then kind of

Hanne: 00:43:46

being, feeling free to flow in all that.

Hanne: 00:43:50

And.

Hanne: 00:43:50

Knowing that you're not going to learn everything from one person,

Hanne: 00:43:55

but there's something new to learn from a bunch of different people.

Hanne: 00:43:58

But yeah, it's just anywhere where there's some kind of.

Hanne: 00:44:02

Invitation, take the invitation, uh, if you're afraid to, you know, ask, um,

Hanne: 00:44:09

I would say, try and be around people that are into whatever you're into,

Hanne: 00:44:13

you know, if you're a musician, like, try to find a community or, you know,

Hanne: 00:44:19

somewhere in the city where people meet and talk about music or do gatherings

Hanne: 00:44:24

and, you know, Open mics or whatever it might be and just like be in that space

Hanne: 00:44:29

and let things kind of flow naturally.

Hanne: 00:44:32

And if there's one person that talks to you, keep talking,

Hanne: 00:44:36

keep, keep that conversation.

Hanne: 00:44:38

So yeah, like, like looking for little windows in of invitation, I would say.

Lee: 00:44:43

Yeah.

Lee: 00:44:43

And I think with the, the world that we have right now, like the accessibility

Lee: 00:44:47

to people is so huge through social media, through social groups.

Lee: 00:44:52

Discord channels.

Lee: 00:44:54

Uh, it is true.

Lee: 00:44:55

What you're saying is like, you know, you have to find common ground.

Lee: 00:44:59

And sometimes in that, that space of, if you're an artist, you're in with other

Lee: 00:45:03

people who paint and draw and whatnot.

Lee: 00:45:05

If you're building models, if you're an athlete, if you're business into the

Lee: 00:45:09

finances, the finding those, Those, those groupings, um, the schools of thought

Lee: 00:45:14

and being able to just connect and build your confidence and then grow from there.

Lee: 00:45:19

Um, it's a good, good point.

Hanne: 00:45:22

Yeah.

Hanne: 00:45:22

Yeah.

Hanne: 00:45:23

Everywhere you go, people are looking for someone to encourage them.

Hanne: 00:45:28

You know, doesn't matter if you're the most famous person in the world.

Hanne: 00:45:33

They're still looking to be approved by someone who could speak into their lives.

Hanne: 00:45:39

And, you know, they're still human and looking for a connection.

Hanne: 00:45:43

And so it's like, how can I bless you?

Hanne: 00:45:46

How can I serve you?

Hanne: 00:45:47

You know, I love, you know, going out with people that I know are like

Hanne: 00:45:51

billionaires and just like secretly paying for everything, like the meal

Hanne: 00:45:55

or whatever it might be, you know, where it's like, They're so used to,

Hanne: 00:46:00

because they, everyone knows that they're billionaires, that they're just

Hanne: 00:46:03

used to, Oh, I'm going to pay for it.

Hanne: 00:46:05

You know, it's like a given type thing, but it's like, so fun and

Hanne: 00:46:10

so different to go against and just be like, Oh, no, you're not

Hanne: 00:46:14

paying, you know, I'm paying for it.

Hanne: 00:46:16

Or, you know, someone that's, everything's usually taken care of for them and they.

Hanne: 00:46:22

Express certain things, like doing something completely

Hanne: 00:46:25

different to try and bless them.

Hanne: 00:46:27

Uh, you know, I think so many of my relationships and different things had

Hanne: 00:46:32

come from just, How can I bless you?

Hanne: 00:46:34

How can I serve you?

Hanne: 00:46:36

And kind of try and outdo them in how to serve and bless, you know, people.

Hanne: 00:46:43

And I think, you know, people are looking for that.

Hanne: 00:46:45

People are drawn to that.

Kat: 00:46:48

Yeah.

Kat: 00:46:49

What I feel like what I'm really getting here, Hannah, from you today

Kat: 00:46:53

is where you are right now really started from your childhood, right?

Kat: 00:47:00

Like, having a goal.

Kat: 00:47:01

Good foundation, having parents that loved you, right, love you and

Kat: 00:47:06

parents and mentors that that believed in you and challenge you and how

Kat: 00:47:12

important that is in a child's life.

Kat: 00:47:15

And unfortunately, not every child gets to have that right.

Kat: 00:47:20

What would you say to educators or caregivers or parents that are

Kat: 00:47:25

struggling with giving that kind of support to their children, like

Kat: 00:47:30

what would your advice be to them?

Hanne: 00:47:32

Yeah, I think peer to peer is something so powerful and unique.

Hanne: 00:47:38

And a lot of the times there's just not a window for a parent figure to

Hanne: 00:47:44

influence in the way that Lily has impact.

Hanne: 00:47:49

So I, I always say, like, try and find, like, is your

Hanne: 00:47:52

child plays the piano, right?

Hanne: 00:47:54

And then goes through a dry spell of like, I don't want to touch

Hanne: 00:47:58

the piano, but you know that they have, like, amazing potential.

Hanne: 00:48:01

I try and find a peer that's like, maybe, you know, five years older that

Hanne: 00:48:07

has gone through those loops and, you know, those valleys and try and get to

Hanne: 00:48:14

that person to talk to your child, you know, it's just so different coming from.

Hanne: 00:48:20

Someone that you see more as a peer and someone that can inspire you,

Hanne: 00:48:24

because unfortunately, parents will always kind of have that parental lens

Hanne: 00:48:30

that is good and bad, you know, so I say to parents who feel like, oh, I

Hanne: 00:48:36

can't influence how I want to, like, Use someone else to influence, like,

Hanne: 00:48:43

ask someone else to help inspire them.

Hanne: 00:48:46

And then, you know, so you can cultivate, as a parent, you can help

Hanne: 00:48:49

cultivate that and give room for that.

Hanne: 00:48:52

And that might be like, even needing to pay someone to do that, you know,

Hanne: 00:48:58

so it's like investing and also like, Driving them places, then, you know,

Hanne: 00:49:02

helping facilitate that, but I think that's what I feel like I've seen the

Hanne: 00:49:07

most result is from, like, peer to peer.

Hanne: 00:49:11

That's been there and gone through similar things and kind

Hanne: 00:49:15

of come out the other side.

Hanne: 00:49:17

I think that would be my.

Hanne: 00:49:19

My best advice.

Kat: 00:49:21

Wow.

Kat: 00:49:22

That is very encouraging to me, Hannah, because one of the reasons why we're

Kat: 00:49:26

kind of bringing back the show, we had this back in 2020, but we're kind of

Kat: 00:49:29

bringing it back, is for me the thought of exploring leadership, but how, and

Kat: 00:49:34

growth mindset and how important it is to develop in young kids, you know,

Kat: 00:49:40

like, like as early as, possible.

Kat: 00:49:41

You know, five year olds, four year olds, right?

Kat: 00:49:43

It's just so important.

Kat: 00:49:44

There's a way to teach them that, and that encourages me because I do

Kat: 00:49:48

believe that, and sometimes I have this imposter syndrome because I'm like,

Kat: 00:49:51

well, I'm not a mom, you know, like how can I, you know, teach these kids?

Kat: 00:49:54

But I have to always remind myself that, well, you're not a mom, but you also have

Kat: 00:49:58

a different perspective and you could step in as a mentor, as a life coach,

Kat: 00:50:02

because Kids sometimes don't want to listen to their parents, but they will

Kat: 00:50:05

listen to a mentor or a life coach, you know, and so it's really encouraging

Kat: 00:50:10

that you say that, because as kids, I don't think we realize that, that

Kat: 00:50:14

our brains just keep talking, that our minds just keep talking, you know, and

Kat: 00:50:18

then we get into adults and no wonder there's so many life coaching for adults.

Kat: 00:50:23

And it's like, well, if we just coach the kids, they probably, you know, we would

Kat: 00:50:26

still would need it because it's always, you know, an evolving process, but we, I

Kat: 00:50:30

feel like we would be in a better mental space and emotional space if we actually.

Kat: 00:50:35

You know, teach that to kids at an early age.

Kat: 00:50:38

So that's really encouraging.

Kat: 00:50:40

So Hannah, you have lived such an amazing life, like, and it's just going to keep

Kat: 00:50:45

going with your impact and, and what you do because of your heart, you love

Kat: 00:50:50

serving people, you know, and you have the humility to, to go and, and, and do it.

Kat: 00:50:57

What do you.

Kat: 00:50:59

Think it's your own definition of a wildly wealthy life.

Hanne: 00:51:03

Oh, that's good.

Hanne: 00:51:04

I think it comes back to what I talked about earlier and

Hanne: 00:51:07

loving God and loving people.

Hanne: 00:51:09

And, uh, you know, wealth is such an interesting word to say.

Hanne: 00:51:14

It often is.

Hanne: 00:51:16

I think, you know, people think of.

Hanne: 00:51:18

More and bigger and better kind of thing.

Hanne: 00:51:22

But I think a wealthy life, it's a life that's fulfilled.

Hanne: 00:51:26

You feel fulfilled in what you're doing.

Hanne: 00:51:28

So it doesn't have to be, you know, making millions or having this, you

Hanne: 00:51:34

know, million impact on people or thousands of followers or whatever.

Hanne: 00:51:39

Uh, society often says wealth is.

Hanne: 00:51:43

I think it's again coming back to living out your passion and

Hanne: 00:51:47

feeling like you're contributing.

Hanne: 00:51:49

And I always come back to saying, like, if you can influence the life.

Hanne: 00:51:53

That's the most important thing.

Hanne: 00:51:55

Like, how can you encourage the person in front of you to see the potential

Hanne: 00:52:00

and their lives to invest in their life, to, um, you know, speak life into

Hanne: 00:52:07

them, encourage them, and then see even further, maybe for them that then they

Hanne: 00:52:13

can see for themselves at the time.

Hanne: 00:52:16

Um, and I think, yeah, that's a wealthier life is being able to

Hanne: 00:52:21

influence people one person at a time.

Hanne: 00:52:24

And, uh, feelings are filled.

Kat: 00:52:28

Yeah.

Kat: 00:52:30

Awesome.

Kat: 00:52:31

I love it.

Kat: 00:52:32

So, noodles or rice?

Hanne: 00:52:33

Oh, noodles.

Hanne: 00:52:34

Rice noodles

Hanne: 00:52:38

is like my thing.

Hanne: 00:52:39

So, it's kind of both, because it's rice noodles, specifically.

Hanne: 00:52:42

I do love Japchae, which is like, You know, it's like a sweet potato noodle.

Hanne: 00:52:48

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Hanne: 00:52:50

Oh my gosh.

Hanne: 00:52:50

So good.

Hanne: 00:52:51

Yes,

Kat: 00:52:52

so good.

Kat: 00:52:52

Oh, well Hannah, thank you so much for spending time with us.

Kat: 00:52:55

We just really enjoyed talking to you.

Kat: 00:52:59

Yeah,

Hanne: 00:52:59

this is fun.

Hanne: 00:53:01

It's funny, like the last, while a few people have kind of asked and

Hanne: 00:53:07

you know about like, do you wanna come and be a part of our podcast?

Hanne: 00:53:11

And I actually turned a few down and then.

Hanne: 00:53:14

When I saw you guys were focused on leadership, I was like, I really want

Hanne: 00:53:18

to make time because I think it's such a intriguing thing to talk about.

Hanne: 00:53:24

And it's something where I want to keep growing.

Hanne: 00:53:27

And, um, I feel like I've been in a season of really trying to learn and

Hanne: 00:53:32

discover what is important in leadership.

Hanne: 00:53:35

So it was just.

Hanne: 00:53:37

super fun to be a part of it.

Hanne: 00:53:39

So Yeah.

Kat: 00:53:40

Same here.

Kat: 00:53:44

And you shared a lot of really awesome stuff and it's really exciting.

Kat: 00:53:48

I'm excited to share the episode.

Kat: 00:53:49

I've been reading a lot of like the John Maxwell books cause he's written just so

Kat: 00:53:52

many, you know, and every time I read a chapter, I'm just like, Oh my gosh, wow.

Kat: 00:53:57

I have so much more to learn.

Kat: 00:54:00

You know, Have you read, uh, Covey's books?

Kat: 00:54:05

I haven't read, uh, The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People.

Kat: 00:54:08

I read that a long time ago, but it's been a long time and I feel like, you know,

Kat: 00:54:14

when you read a book at different seasons in your life, you learn something new.

Kat: 00:54:19

So I haven't read any of his books lately or even some of

Kat: 00:54:22

his old books lately, but yeah.

Hanne: 00:54:24

I highly recommend, he has one called Trust and Inspire.

Hanne: 00:54:29

It came out in 2022.

Hanne: 00:54:31

And it just, to me, it felt like it reaffirmed so much of like what I talked

Hanne: 00:54:38

about with Carol and Zoe and like.

Hanne: 00:54:40

The inspirational leadership to inspire someone to move into leadership and to

Hanne: 00:54:46

inspire someone and pull out the giftings in, in them and, you know, all of that.

Hanne: 00:54:52

So highly recommend that one.

Kat: 00:54:54

Thank you.

Kat: 00:54:55

I

Hanne: 00:54:55

will put,

Kat: 00:54:56

I will add that to my book list.

Kat: 00:55:00

Awesome.

Kat: 00:55:00

Well, thank you, Hana.

Kat: 00:55:01

I appreciate you.

Kat: 00:55:03

Yeah.

Kat: 00:55:04

Love you guys.

Kat: 00:55:05

They love you too.

Kat: 00:55:06

Thank you.

Kat: 00:55:07

Thank you.

Kat: 00:55:09

Alright, friends, that's a wrap on today's episode of Wildly Wealthy Life.

Kat: 00:55:13

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Kat: 00:55:15

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Kat: 00:55:17

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